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Keep calm and save the Earth : Comments

By Lyn Bender, published 4/7/2016

All life on earth depends on air and an ideal cycle of oxygen and carbon. But since the beginning of the fossil fuel era, humans have been disturbing the delicate balance of the atmosphere.

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What would you know about facts runner.
Its all about "faith" and fairy stories for you isnt it.
Posted by mikk, Tuesday, 5 July 2016 1:54:56 PM
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Unfortunately the author exhibits some cognitive dissonance of her own. One of her few rays of light is the stat about 15% of Australian roofs bearing solar panels. Yet left out is how this generates less than 2% of Australia's electricity. That sort of thing is not going to shift emissions trajectories where they need to be, as recently published research indicates:
http://blogs.agu.org/geospace/2016/06/27/capping-warming-2-degrees-new-study-details-pathways-beyond-paris/

We need every tool in the low carbon energy box, not just renewables.
Posted by Mark Duffett, Tuesday, 5 July 2016 10:28:24 PM
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Yes, Duck, you have referred us to a fairy tale as baseless as the climate fraud.
Absent is any reference to science to show any measurable human effect on climate, just an off-topic, pointless diversion, true to your customary form.
Posted by Leo Lane, Tuesday, 5 July 2016 10:57:21 PM
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I want to congratulate Lyn for writing a considered piece on this important issue and to congratulate the editor for recognising it as such.

Regarding the barriers that make us resist the reality of climate change, I would refer her and interested readers to the following.

“Naomi Klein’s title Climate Change: This Changes Everything makes it very clear why this issue really has to be treated urgently as a first order priority. She gives a compelling account of the forces responsible for our massive and escalating greenhouse emissions and the dominant destructive neo-liberal philosophy behind it. But she also gives a compelling and inspiring account of the forces that are resisting – principally the mobilization of people power in small communities all around the world to put pressure on governments and corporations to seriously tackle the problem…….

"Sally Weitrobe reminds us that real change will only happen when people realize that this issue is not really about climate change but about people change…. I believe Weintrobe’s subtle and penetrating analysis of our psychological responses to the dominant culture goes to the heart of what blocks care and moral action across the board and I would encourage readers to read some of her fascinating articles (http://www.sallyweintrobe.com/the-new-imagination-a-tale-of-two-carrots/) and listen to her most recent talk “Climate Change and the Culture of Uncare” https://m.mixcloud.com/Resonance/frontier-psychoanalyst-ep-3-18-january-2016/ - See extended discussion at: http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/weblog/article/its-up-to-all-of-us/#sthash.ePvmr7Sk.dpuf”
Posted by Scott MacInnes, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 6:41:52 PM
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Scott McInnes, how can you describe the article as a “considered piece”, when the author has obviously ignored the science. There is no science to show any measurable human effect on climate. Not surprising from someone like you,who regards Klein as a relevant reference.
This is typical of the nonsense of the science ignorant Klein” , “We are stuck because the actions that could give us the best chance of averting catastrophe… are extremely threatening to an elite minority that has a stranglehold over our economy, our political process, and most of our major media outlets.”
“[W]e have not done the things that are necessary to lower emissions because those things fundamentally conflict with deregulated capitalism.” [P. 18]
To effectively and equitably deal with the climate crisis, Klein calls for increased levels of renewable electricity, supported by “vast new electricity grids.” [P. 90]”
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/05/04/klei-m04.html
The woman is an ignorant ratbag.
Posted by Leo Lane, Thursday, 7 July 2016 1:17:35 AM
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Scott McInnes, perhaps describing Klein as an ignorant ratbag was less informative than a scientist’s more edifying description of her:
“Bad manners always say more about the speaker than the target. Klein deceives herself with her name-calling “denier”. She can’t name anything scientific that the so-called deniers deny. Instead she fell for the Richard Muller blatant fakery, where he pretended to be a skeptic, then was so conveniently converted. She’s the one denying that he was always a fan of the IPCC, and always thought CO2 was pollution.
The myth that Big-Oil drives the skeptics is manna for the confused, who can’t fathom why so many people don’t pander to the same messianic saviours that they do. Klein obediently totes out the “$900 billion” the top five oil corporates make in profits, but completely ignores the $10 Trillion market in carbon credits that a global trade could have produced. Again, the numbers are just too complex for her — Exxon and friends might lose 5 or 10% of their bottom line to the monster carbon market, but the carbon market fans lose 100% of their profits if the big scare is exposed as a fake. There’s ten times the money pushing for a carbon market, and Klein blindly acts as a sock puppet for the big financiers.
The scientists speaking at Heartlands Climate Conference were so far ahead of Klein, they might as well have been speaking Urdu.”
http://joannenova.com.au/2011/11/naomi-kleins-crippling-problem-with-numbers/
Posted by Leo Lane, Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:02:28 AM
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