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Supporting diversity without fear : Comments

By Kay Stroud, published 3/6/2016

Just as the broader community is beginning to question stereotypes and think differently about ethnicity, culture, faith, race, nationality, skin colour, age, sexuality and gender, spiritual carers are also challenged by new paradigms.

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What a ridiculous notion, David f, that I would purport to speak on behalf of people like you. I am speaking against the pernicious attacks on the integrity of our community by promoters, like yourself, of group think slogans like “diversity”, and, no doubt, “multiculturalism”. Your kind were so successful in England, that suicide bombers in London were born, raised, and educated in England. All it took was a visit to a madrass in Pakistan, to kick start their DNA.
You might start a movement like the one in England, to have prisons built with the cells facing mecca, for the comfort of the growing muslim prison population.
What is the basis of your determination to disintegrate our community, davidf?
Posted by Leo Lane, Monday, 6 June 2016 11:11:34 AM
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//Who is included in your 'we'? You do not speak for me.//

She is practising nosism (from the Latin 'nos' for 'we'), the practice of using the pronoun "we" to refer to oneself when expressing a personal opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosism
Posted by Toni Lavis, Monday, 6 June 2016 11:45:23 AM
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Dear Leo Lane,

I remind you that the first settlers of Australia were Protestant, Catholic and Jewish English and Irish. They were mostly criminals. The Aborigines might have objected to this bit of cultural diversity, this unwanted multicultural addition to their society. However, the descendants of these crims built a great nation. The Australian community disintegrated long ago starting with the first fleet. The societal change was much greater than anything since. I see no reason that descendants of other new Australians cannot add their bit. It seems a bit much that a citizen of a nation built on a convict heritage gets high and mighty about immigrants from a different background.
Posted by david f, Monday, 6 June 2016 1:41:59 PM
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Alan B

you are talking on an individual level,
sure you can feel great affection for people of different diversity and background
and the point I am actually trying to make is that wars are not about intolerance
I dont think we have any particular dislike of people from different races and backgrounds,
until they move into our territory in huge numbers.

Displays of so called racial hostility is actually terrortorial hostility.
We go to war over control of land and resources.
Because our survival as an ethnic group depends on being
allowed access to abundant food,water,shelter and what the land can provide for our survival
Many. a bloodline in history has been pushed to extinction by being driven off their land.
The Aboriginals is one example, the American Indians another

Itis basic biology that every species seeks to defend the survival of their genetically closest offspring

For humans this is their children,their cousins,uncles and Aunts, and on the wider scale their tribe through centuries of intermarriage.
This is the law of nature and nature is more powerful and in control than mankind thinks.

Homosexuals, may actually not be as unintended by nature as people think,
in time of war when the males of a tribe may be dimished in number the masculine side of the gender bender, may provide some masculine abilities to help the community.
and on the otherside of the coin the feminine nuturing side of a gender bender may be able to mother orphaned children.
There are just too many lesbians and homosexuals for it to be a mistake or thats how I think when I ponder it sometimes
also there are many so called normal people with obvious degrees of male and female traits in them.
The sexpot alpha female, and the androgenous looking female.
Also you get quite overly masculine, macho men and effeminate looking male professor types.
Posted by CHERFUL, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 9:43:55 PM
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david f:
The penal colony of New South Wales came about in an era when rehabilitation of prisoners was an emerging movement, in England.
Prisoners were offered incentives, so that, for instance, good behaviour during his term could see a prisoner with a land grant, and a financial start to a new life.
.The Colony offered opportunities for advancement to people with the right attitude, the people who laid the foundations of the colony.
The prisoners generally were of English, Scottish and Irish heritage, who had taken the opportunity to absolve their criminal background, and with no heritage of a disgusting religion like islam.
David f says:” I see no reason that descendants of other new Australians cannot add their bit. It seems a bit much that a citizen of a nation built on a convict heritage gets high and mighty about immigrants from a different background.”

As I have mentioned more than once, david, their background is a religion aggressive to all other beliefs, with a directive to enforce submission to their unacceptable beliefs. You have shown us the addled thinking whereby you became a subversive, working against the integrity, and well being, of our community, while receiving its benefits.
The current actions of these people you support show that they will not establish a record of good behaviour, as the convicts of British heritage did. Their disregard of the gun laws, and their regular shootings and stabbings and drug offences which make them such a high proportion of our prison population,show them to be migrants of a very different background to those who laid the foundations of our community, disingenuously referred to by you as “convict”. They were people who by their industry, conduct, and application, had surpassed their convict status
Your assertions are ridiculous, david. You are a dangerous man. We would be better off without your addled thinking.
Posted by Leo Lane, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 12:15:52 AM
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Leo Lane wrote: “As I have mentioned more than once, david, their background is a religion aggressive to all other beliefs, with a directive to enforce submission to their unacceptable beliefs.”

Unacceptable beliefs? Let’s look at the Bible. A woman gets pregnant without a male sperm involved. God destroys almost all life on earth in a flood, asks a man to murder his son as a test. As he is omniscient he should know what the man will do. God subjects his own son to torment and a harrowing death. The Bible contains unacceptable beliefs.

Christianity has a history of enforcing its unacceptable beliefs. After Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire they persecuted and killed pagans and heretics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_persecution_of_paganism_under_Theodosius_I:

“... Theodosius I reiterated Constantine's ban on pagan sacrifice, prohibited haruspicy on pain of death, pioneered the criminalization of magistrates who did not enforce anti-pagan laws, broke up some pagan associations and destroyed pagan temples.”

Fletcher’s “The Conversion of Europe from Paganism to Christianity: 371-1386” tells how Europe was Christianised. With the exception of Ireland the conversion was achieved by violence. eg. Charlemagne gave the pagan Gauls the choice of Christianity or beheading.

Crusaders not only slaughtered Muslims but also non-Catholic Christians, heretics and Jews. Crusaders sacked Orthodox Christian Constantinople and massacred the Christian inhabitants, massacred the Albigensians who they regarded as heretics, massacred Jews in the Rhineland. “Participation in such a war was seen as a form of penance which could counterbalance sin.”

The Wars of the Reformation saw Christians slaughtering Christians. Martin Luther hoped Jews would accept his new faith. When they didn’t he preached against them and advocated their destruction. His diatribes were reprinted in the Nazi newspapers.

The War against science shown by the murders of Hypatia, Michael Servetus and Giordano Bruno.

The Inquisition.

Imperialist European powers massacred and enslaved the indigenous people of the Americas, Africa and Asia to spread the benefits of Christianity.

The Holocaust was the outcome of centuries of Christian hate.

The secular state can tame evil Islam as it has tamed evil Christianity.
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 10:17:23 AM
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