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Science death spiral : Comments

By Doug Hoffman, published 27/5/2016

Having brought mankind so far, has traditional science finally outlived its usefulness? Many seem to think so.

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Seems some are getting confused between Scientist and Inventor.
Posted by Philip S, Saturday, 28 May 2016 6:28:11 PM
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I think the difference is between science and scientists
Posted by JF Aus, Saturday, 28 May 2016 6:44:28 PM
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Billions are wasted by people with egos trying to find life on Mars while god denier's cry about money donated to recreate Noah's ark. Yep consensus pseudo science stinks. Evolution and the gw scam are prime examples.
Posted by runner, Saturday, 28 May 2016 7:04:48 PM
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Spot on, runner.
Posted by JF Aus, Saturday, 28 May 2016 7:35:44 PM
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Quite obviously science must be broken if it comes up with answers that do not agree with your pre-conceived views. There is no other obvious explanation for the mis-match.

I was impressed with Doug's first arbitrarily dismissing modelling activities as 'not science' and then complaining that climate science has the largest number of papers using modelling terms. Such sleight of hand should be applauded.

Of course climate science has to rely on models for a significant part of its exploration of hypotheses, simply because it is impossible to run multiple experiments with full scale planetary systems of eons. The same is true of evolution, where it is impossible to re-run the evolution of humans, so instead research is conducted with small scale experimental systems and models (just of a different sort). But you don't get people (other than a small rump of ignorant denialists) complaining that evolutionary theorists are only in it for the money and to produce politically acceptable results.

The key difference now in science is that years ago the cut and thrust of disproving ideas was done in academic journals and at conferences and the public rarely saw what went on. Now this is done on-line in blogs where even those with no knowledge get a chance to weigh in. It has always been the case that most science turns out to be not quite correct, but wrong ideas were frequently left by the wayside or struggled on in quiet, ageing lab corners. Now they all get a new lease of life through the internet, with legions of vocal supporters pushing them on people at every opportunity. Have a look at the Fans of the AVN facebook page if you want to see an example.
Posted by Agronomist, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 4:31:43 PM
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Why step backwards by looking at Facebook?
There is need to get to the heart of the problem without wasting time.
Science is in need of respect and a good future.

Facebook is one thing however an example of science in a death spiral can be understood from looking into respected scientists being bullied and intimidated or dismissed from the CSIRO, because their view or research apparently did not suit CSIRO political agenda.

http://victimsofcsiro.com/
Posted by JF Aus, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 5:28:23 PM
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