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By Chris Ashton, published 18/5/2016The idea that any religious institution should only disseminate its beliefs with caveats and qualifications strikes at the heart of freedom of religion, expression, and association.
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Again the regressives demonstrating who the true bigots are. No wonder people are reacting by supporting Trump and the Phillipino President when you have people with perverted views and lifestyles trying to silence anyone who speaks commonsense. Then you have the dumbed down mob like getup/labour/greens/abc who support this feeding of the corrupt legal system.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 19 May 2016 11:52:41 AM
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Even if a mandate for legalising same sex marriage is achieved all that will happen is that an already despised and alienated subculture will be further marginalised, ridiculed and scorned for aping societal norms.
In the eyes of religious types a married pervert is still a pervert and it won't stop the homosexual life's endemic abuses of young people, their dishonesty or their drug abuse. Jack Donovan once asked whether being able to marry will stop Gays from taking steroids and crystal meth and chasing fourteen year olds? The answer of course is no, so nothing important changes if Gay marriage becomes legal. The world is moving away from Western Liberal values, along with Russia China has recently banned depictions of "the darker side of life" (ie homosexuality) in the media, the Islamic world is as ever on it's own path and who knows what will happen in the wash up from the unrest in Latin America. So who's really on the wrong side of history here? Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 20 May 2016 8:53:59 AM
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Runner Trump is pro Gay rights and mainly indifferent to other social justice concerns but your point is taken, the clear majority of people see homosexuality as something a minority of people do by choice but that it's something they need to keep to themselves as it's distasteful to people not involved in that subculture.
Hunting is distasteful to some people, so are boxing, pornography, heavy metal music, horror movies etc, other people don't mind those activities but they keep it "in house" so to speak. A decent person doesn't walk into a vegetarian restaurant or a children's playground with a freshly shot kangaroo carcass over his shoulder, homosexuals by the same token should not be turning up to Churches and upsetting the congregation, as they've been doing of late. This principle used to be known as "live and let live". Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 20 May 2016 9:03:14 AM
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We not only have freedom of speech in our society but also the freedom to try and change the law to what we would like it to be. Religious groups have that right like everyone else. You cannot complain when the Catholic Church takes up that option without complaining about every other group who does the same – including homosexual groups.
What matters is how you go about achieving your ends. If you try and use the legal system just to silence others then you are abusing the legal system. Of course you are welcome to try but what satisfaction is there in getting what you want by such means. It proves nothing about your argument and only something about your ability to manipulate. Getting what you want by these methods does not mean you have changed the attitudes of others where it really counts – in their minds and hearts. This kind of action does not promote the cause of homosexuals it just alienates them from wider society because they are seen to be manipulative and devious. It has nothing to do with their sexuality and everything to do with their dishonesty and selfishness. Such ‘victories’ do not satisfy homosexual people because they know that acquiescence as a result of being bullied and intimidated is not agreement. The emptiness they feel projects them into more of the same. They make more and more demands to try and get the same momentary but shallow sense of winning. The more resistance they come across the more aggressive they become. Same-sex marriage will not satisfy their need for approval – nothing will ever do that. It becomes like a drug that they are consumed in pursuing. They already have everything they need to live peaceful and meaningful lives but you can never get genuine approval for your behaviour no matter how much you try and bully others into giving it to you. Posted by phanto, Friday, 20 May 2016 9:39:49 AM
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Between whatever says what does what, what could be mentioned is that religion create statements that can't be proved to be true. Afterlife, where is the afterlife other than in child-like imaginations.
Humans are easily persuaded to believe in unseen beliefs merely because once child-like imaginations begin to believe, what's believed is difficult not to believe. All those embarrassing priests molesting children stories whether true or false entertain child-like imaginations. What is entertaining to human beliefs is by words alone, anecdotally feels true. Children aged 5 and 6 years attend school education, with too much child-like imagination to begin to learn to think without using child-like emotions. http://deepthought101.simplesite.com Read how children learning boring classroom studying too early an age, guides children into stupid: drug addiction; alcoholism; etc, life long behaviour. Posted by steve101, Friday, 20 May 2016 2:57:09 PM
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Chris Ashton writes: "She demanded nothing less than for the church to publish a heavily redacted version of the document which presented Catholic teaching as mere opinion – a view that is itself contrary [to?] Catholic teaching, and indeed to the very notion of religious truth."
Yet how redolent of the protests by religious groups who would attempt to rewrite scientific theories such as that of Evolution by demanding similar redactions in scientific text books! And Ashton's outrage at the offence to "religious truth".......? I must admit, I smiled at the pomposity that was required to reach an outraged state of mind over such a strange concept. He writes further: "......as she sought to unashamedly bully those with opposing views, and to do so using the weaponised, coercive power of the state." A tactic of religion, particularly the roman catholic religion, resorted to for millennia and responsible for some of the most cruel acts of coercion ever devised by humankind. In publicly condemning those whom he doesn't like and with whom he violently disagrees Ashton is revealing himself here as a giant among hypocrites, a major figure in the league. And further: "His crime, as a prince of the Catholic Church, was to have published a booklet on Catholic doctrine to distribute to Catholic parishioners, specifically parishioners with children at Catholic schools. Heinous, I know!" Is the issue really this simple? It has been my experience that when all the facts are revealed, apparently innocent activities by catholic clergy emerge drenched in surreptitious intentions. Activities more honoured in the breach of regulations, custom and decency than in the observance engender that frisson of excitement in endangering one's seat on the Glory Train in the service of god. Lastly: "But if offended transgender, transsexual, lesbian Greens will come after a Catholic bishop for simply teaching what the Catholic Church believes, they will come after anyone!" Which is what the catholic bishops used to do to transgender, transsexual, lesbian greens not that long ago. And they came after them good and hard too! Posted by Pogi, Saturday, 21 May 2016 5:32:18 AM
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