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End the diplomatic doublespeak and start getting serious about Syria : Comments
By David Singer, published 24/2/2016The solution to the Syrian situation requires a UN military force to confront and defeat Islamic State and the Al Nusra Front.
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Posted by Rhrosty, Wednesday, 24 February 2016 9:25:32 AM
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Why were the terrorists gaining ground in Syria despite the presence of the "US led Coalition" until the Russians, (under invitation of the recognised government of Syria led by Bashar Al Assad, who is obviously popular with his own people) started conducting airstrikes? Because Western powers, Turkey and Israel wanted the Syrian government replaced with puppets and stooges sympathetic to their own interests. Domestic resistance would make it difficult for them to put large numbers of troops on the ground for this so instead they have covertly sponsored terrorist organisations largely run by Wahhabi Muslims (basically an extremist Sunni sect) and mercenaries while pretending to fight them. Now they are desperately looking for ways to protect at least some of the terrorist groups they have invested in against Russian and Hezbellah backed Syrian forces. After the recent western sponsored violent overthrow of legitimate governments in Libya and Ukraine, it became obvious that Syria was the next one in the plan that would subsequently include Iran then Russia. So is partly in their own interest for Russians and Iranians to support the Syrian government.
Posted by mox, Wednesday, 24 February 2016 1:14:20 PM
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Hi Mox,
Do they allow supervised visits ? If you're locked up anywhere near Adelaide, I would love to come and talk to you about some of your interesting views. Would I need to arrange an appointment ? I think it's wonderful that they allow patients to use computers as part of their long-term rehabilitation programs. It gives just the faintest hope that patients may be able eventually re-connnect with the real world. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 24 February 2016 3:09:37 PM
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Loudmouth, if you don't believe Mox then try this:
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/02/14/the-neoconservatives-are-brewing-a-wider-war-in-syria-paul-craig-roberts/ Just scroll down about half a page to read the post Posted by Geoff of Perth, Wednesday, 24 February 2016 3:46:03 PM
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Hopefully the likes of Loudmouth, strongly opinionated with views on the Syrian situation as peddled by the Western mainstream media will start by looking at the article on the Paul Craig Roberts site as suggested by Geoff above and then check out others exposing agendas of "powers that be" and lies they tell. His comments on my initial ones were basically just those of a "useful idiot" supporting them. Worth noting description PCR often uses of journalists producing misinformation and disinformation on behalf of their employers as "presstitutes". Also, note the typical tactics of someone who cannot put up plausible arguments to challenge views they don't like, as Loudmouth attempted against me. ie Resort to name calling and other personal abuse against those advocating them. Am not offended. Reckon he has just publicly made a fool of himself.
Thanks to the Internet, anyone can now check news and views from a wide range of sources. Re topics such as the Syrian situation, compared with Western MSM, some of this is vastly different on those emanating from other countries, especially Russia and Iran as well as alternate western based sources. No wonder "neocons" have made comments about wanting to control the Internet. A cynical one has been that if US had an all out war against Russia, among their first targets would be www.rt.com (one of several Russian based news sites.) Meanwhile, I think the one most worth watching for new articles which I read a significant proportion of is www.globalresearch.ca . Posted by mox, Wednesday, 24 February 2016 10:00:49 PM
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#Rhrosty
You state: "Well I'd like to see the 5 permanent members of the Security council agree on anything, let alone what to do about it." You are plain wrong. The 5 Permanent members have so far agreed on 13 Security Council Resolutions in relation to Syria, These resolutions have progressively attempted to end the conflict in Syria by a range of actions falling short of UN sponsored military intervention - but without success, That is why I believe they need to pass one more - authorising a UN sanctioned military force under Chapter VII of the UN Charter - to take all steps necessary to defeat Islamic State and Al Nusra Front It never hurts to check your facts before rushing into print. Posted by david singer, Thursday, 25 February 2016 2:50:31 PM
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Hi Mox & Geoff,
Isn't paranoia fun You make some quite ridiculous assertions and we are supposed to believe them. For once, the Yanks are caught in a multi-sided battle, not of their own making, and y the look of it, not of their own sorting out either. The US backing ISIS ? We'll see. RT ? You're aware that it's owned by Putin ? Also, partly, the now-defunct Independent. As for Syria, there are a lot of dogs in this fight. I'd be more worried about a war between Russia and Turkey. I fear, in that case, for the future of the Kurds, the only major force fighting ISIS. And who are the main backers of the Kurds ? I do believe it's the Yanks. How does Roberts fit that into his schema ? Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 25 February 2016 4:22:06 PM
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To Loudmouth particularly: Is not surprising that those whose opinions of the current Syrian situation have been based just on news emanating from Western mainstream media tend to have "cognitive dissonance" when confronted with alternate news and views indicating they have been misled. For a start, I recall seeing several different stories of Yanks and Poms being caught out supplying arms, etc to terrorists they have been pretending to fight in Iraq and Syria.. Also, note it seems amongst the strongest and best informed critics of western policies and actions on alternate and Russian and Iranian Internet news sites are or were from Western countries. Nowadays mainstream news organisations should be be more conscious than ever trying to avoid circulating obvious lies. Otherwise they lose audience - and revenue especially if soliciting paid advertising. Seems the New York Times, which once was a reputable paper has this problem. Offering very cheap introductory subscriptions to online edition. A significant proportion of reader comments to one ad I saw were uncomplimentary. eg "Award winning lies by award winning liars." was apparently particularly applicable to NYT coverage of recent events in and views of Syria.
Posted by mox, Thursday, 25 February 2016 9:36:00 PM
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All we can do is attack the funding mechanisms of these groups, with continued overproduction of formerly scarce oil!
And given that is hurting Russia more, finally get the self appointed dictator Putin to agree on united action?
If you can get Russia to stop mindlessly using its veto, you might stand a chance of getting the chinese to do the same?
Perhaps you should send Nethanyahu over there David and get him to make an irrefutable case for UN intervention.
Given he has a predilection for promising the world and giving nothing; and can talk the leg off a wooden chair, he might be able to make a case that neither Russia nor China can or will veto?
Rhrosty.