When words of unconditional love fall on deaf ears it's time for something else! Can you hear the guns Fernando?
Rhrosty.

The other one yodels fellers.

I guess you are telling us the Muslims have finally understood the good cop/bad cop technique, & think we'll fall for that now. Sorry fellers, we invented it.

Well, good luck to the Ahmadiyya and their peaceful ways. However this infidel hasn't forgotten that Mohammed was a 7th century bandit leader who provided the model for ISIS. I can't remember any text that reports that either Jesus or the Buddha directed massacres of enemy tribes.

Who cares which of the numerous varieties of Islam are "true"? Which of them present the greatest dangers to Western civilisation is the only question worth considering.

Mac " I can't remember any text that reports that either Jesus or the Buddha directed massacres of enemy tribes."

Maybe not Mac, but have you read the Old Testament of the Bible where apparently 'God' told various tribes to kill other people and even whole cities, because of the terrible 'sins' they were supposed to have committed?

I was thinking about all the people Moses had killed because he was told to by his God so the Israelites could leave Egypt?
What about Sodom and Gomorrah? He had the whole city turned to salt!
No, I don't think Jews or Christians can say much at all really.
Religion begets violence.

And how does the AMC demonstrate that its opinions about its god are better founded than the opinions of ISIS about theirs? ISIS has mullahs too, and they can extract as much meaning from the Quran as anyone else can. It's great that Muslim groups are preaching against violence and terrorism, but it would be better still if they were preaching against unreason.

Suse,

Didn't Christ say something along the lines of "I bring to you a new testament"?

Your rant about the Old Testament is irrelevant, what is relevant is that the Muslim Problem is here and now.

How does one tell if the peaceful Muslim groups are not lying?
We can't take their word for it because the Qu'ran allows them to lie to infidels; that's us.

Suseonline,

I'd generally agree with is Mise, I don't think that the Old Testament is relevant. Early Christians are portrayed as willing to die, not to kill, for their faith. Certainly Christianity has a blood-stained history, however it was not violent from its inception, unlike Islam which was proselytised by the sword, by the "prophet" himself. That is the deeply disturbing truth about Islam, a fact which most Muslims and their apologists really won't face, except for ISIS and other jihadist groups. The Islamic ideology is a threat to liberal democracy.

I'm not a Christian btw.

Is Mise 'Christ' didn't bring us the New Testament.
Various mere mortal men wrote and rewrote the bible over a number of years...in their words. There was no imagined God involved at all...

There is plenty of juicy violent bits in the New Testament too, as you well know.
Look it up for yourself.

Suse,

"There is plenty of juicy violent bits in the New Testament too, as you well know.
Look it up for yourself."

You're the one making the statement so it's up to you to back up your words with references.

Suse, the emerging archaeological evidence is demonstrating that the exodus from egypt by early Jews is probably just invention, and indeed everything that relies on the story? Like fourteen commandments carved in stone tablets by the hand of God, or a chosen people and a promised land being factual?
Sorry, Rhrosty.

Rhrosty, are you actually suggesting the bible stories aren't true?
Is that a bolt of lightening I see poised above you?
Don't tell Runner :)

Suse,

"There is plenty of juicy violent bits in the New Testament too, as you well know.
Look it up for yourself."

You're the one making the statement so it's up to you to back up your words with references.

So, where are you, Suse?

We're waiting.

The Ahmadiyya, like other Muslims (or semi-Muslims), have no problem with the hate and violence in the Quran. They also consider Mohammed -- a man who killed, plundered, raped, tortured and enslaved men women and children -- to be a great moral example. Nothing more needs to be said.

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