Mikk,

Your "vehemence" against religion suggests that you have been dealt a blow by 'religion'. Is it all religion, or just Christianity? You don't seem to vehemently rage against Islam.

Our Western, liberal democracy would never have got off the ground were it not for Christianity. Our entire way of life is based on it (even the lives of athiests if they, as millions of them do, live in the West) Most of our laws have a Christian basis - less so now, as Socialists enact uneccessary laws that are totally at odds with natural law. What do you base your moral standards on? Feelings of right and wrong are not inborn; they have to be learned. How did you learn right from wrong? I'll bet it wasn't from anyone who made who made up a set morals and beliefs arbitrarily. You don't have to like, hate or be indifferent to religion to have it be part of what you are.

You forgot Greenpeace Daffy.

Why is that?

tt and moderate
What bollocks. I remember the last 2000 years of you xians as the dark ages, the denying and impeding of progress, the crusades(the old ones), the inquisition, murder and killing on a grand scale, first across Europe and then all across the rest of the world, the genocide of indigenous peoples from Africa to the Americas, and everywhere in between, numerous wars and fatwahs ordered and payed for by the church, the utter subjugation of women, a large hand in slavery, the sexual abuse of children, filthy amounts of wealth.
Do I need to go on?

And yes ttbn it is all religions. Foolish weirdos who pray to their magical superfriend in the sky. Sorry DANGEROUS, foolish weirdos who pray to their magical superfriend in the sky. Who are all the same and need to keep their insane beliefs to themselves. Please.

You xians really have tickets on yourselves.
Our secular laws are nothing like your godbotherer sharia laws. No law on adultery or sex outside marriage, no chop your hands off for stealing, no law against divorce, no law saying you must attend church service or "keep the sabbath day holy". No law saying gluttony or greed or lust or slothfulness are crimes. No law saying you must pray three times a day. No law saying you must eat fish on Friday.
Which laws exactly are these so called xian based ones?
And dont say murder or rape or slavery. Because your holy books specifically state those things are all ok and not illegal.

Basically none of our laws have anything to do with you xians. You did not frame the laws. You did not have any input into framing the laws.
And good thing too. Dont want you xians "natural"(sic) law any more than the mussies and their sharia law.
Is there any difference?

Lastly tt I get my ethics and morality from thinking! About the things you lot never THINK about. Because you cant think. It is all dogma and unchanging, mindless ideology. No thinking needed.

Daffy Duck, the IPA is a part Libertarian, part Conservative, think tank. Are you suggesting that ANTI-socialists like you should not be able to have any communist think tanks?

ttbn, your right about mikk, to be as nasty with his lies, he was either abused as a child or is a communist.

Jardine K Jardine, good point.

mikk, 1, the dark ages was caused by the islamic crusades.
2, the enlightenment was 100% conservative, protesting Christians complaining about corruption in the Roman Catholic church & being tortured or burnt at the stake for their troubles.
3, the Christian crusades were defence against islamic attack which continues to this day.
4, the inquisition was Catholic, not Christian.
5, the entire 6,000 year year Judeo/Christian death toll was exceeded by atheists, in just one atheist nation, in just 4 years.
6, there was no indigenous genocide or there would not be any of them left to talk about it & heaps of white people were killed too.
7, fatwahs are islamic & no protestant church ever paid for a war.
8, Christian women were never subjugated.
9, slavery was ended by Christians & brought back by atheist, ANTI-socialists.
10, more atheists abuse children than Christians.
11, the Catholic church has plenty of assets but most Protestant churches don't.
12, Scottish Common Sense Realism, also known as the Scottish School of Common Sense, is a school of philosophy that originated in the ideas of Scottish Presbyterian philosophers Thomas Reid, Adam Ferguson and Dugald Stewart during the 18th century Scottish Enlightenment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Common_Sense_Realism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_Scots_Invented_the_Modern_World

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100247847/how-we-invented-freedom-and-why-it-matters/
13, there are NO secular laws in the land of OZ, our constitution is 100% Christian & based on Christian Cannon law.
14, Protestant churches never had laws against divorce, adultery, gluttony, greed, lust, slothfulness or not attending church.
15, the Bible clearly forbids murder, rape & slavery but a book cannot force people to abide what is written in it.
16, sorry darling but 1 constitutional drafts-man was Jewish & ALL the others were Christians, majority Protestant.
17, are ANTI-socialists capable of free thought?

Mikk,

imacentristmoderate has dealt very well indeed with your comments. I wil just make a few remarks. Your rambling about 2 millenia of Christian activities overlooks the fact of massive change by Christianity well within that period and the fact that it still applies to Islam in the 21st Century.

You are the "dangerous foolish weirdo". Christians have never had 'sharia law', and the 'chopping off' carry on has always, and still is, Left to the Muslims. The Saudis hold weekly public demonstrations of the art to this day.

Most of all, nobody MUST be a Christian on pain of death. You can take it or leave it.

Our laws have EVERYTHING to do Christian ethics.And there is a world of difference between natural law andhideous sharia law.

You are so ignorant of just about everything in life, that you should not be loose.

And, congratulations on on being the only human being who did not learn anything from his parent, family, his friends, his school and society. You 'thought it all up'. You ar so unusual that museums will be clamouring for your body on your demise.

These so called "charities" are an abomination. Political activists are getting tax free money to push ideologies that have no benefit to anyone else but themselves.

Yet another left whinge rort.