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The Climate Wars and the damage to science : Comments

By Matt Ridley, published 9/11/2015

Most disappointing is the way that science has joined in turning a blind eye to the distortion and corruption of the scientific process itself.

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Cont’d………..

Nutrient is there, so is the heat and so is algae.
There is a mass of algae involved when you consider the blooms plus common green micro algae in the Indian Ocean, PLUS warmth that also comes southward with the Leeuwin Current. You can read and see more here:
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1071046.htm

Why is the Leeuwin hot?
Is there any evidence warmth in algae plant matter is definitely not involved in warming the Leeuwin and oceans, changing climate?

There is a lot of money being made from manufacturing and sale and installation of alternative energy equipment.
It is good to reduce air pollution but ocean ecosystems are in dire need of attention too.

Re atolls, they are formed by coral rubble and coral sand but now there is dead coral almost everywhere and the usual supply of rubble and sand is no longer arriving as much to maintain atoll formation.

You are spot on about the Pacific Islands, but add to that the protein deficiency malnutrition and disease and major organ failure among seafood dependent people.
There is still some good sport fishing around Pacific islands if you have money for an engine and fuel.

ABC Radio Australia really pumps out CO2 ‘news’ to Pacific islanders.
They say nothing about dead coral and less coral rubble for atolls, just sea level rising due world CO2 emissions.
Nothing about tectonic plate movement causing islands to sink.
Just sea level rise. Best leave you island paradise, if you listen to ABC news.
Someone will pick up cheap land for resorts of the future.
Posted by JF Aus, Thursday, 19 November 2015 9:02:07 PM
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JF,
CO2, carbon dioxide is a gas. Like oxygen, it is distributed throughout the atmosphere.

Question - why do you breath?

You breath in so that your body gets oxygen. In your body, energy is generated whenever that oxygen combines with carbon, making carbon dioxide (one carbon and two oxygens combining to make CO2).

And all of your food is made from carbon. You breath out to release your now unwanted CO2. All people and animals create their energy by making CO2.

All fossil fuels are primarily carbon. You cars energy, energy powering planes, trucks and so on, is created by making CO2.

Consider all the people on this earth, all that is burnt, petrol burnt - all creating CO2. Is it any wonder that our atmosphere now has more carbon dioxide than it has ever had over the last 800,000 years.

So our CO2 blanket is "thicker" than it has been for much more than 800,000 years.

No wonder our planet is getting warmer.
Tony
Posted by Tony153, Thursday, 19 November 2015 10:07:56 PM
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@ Tony153, Thursday, 19 November 2015 10:07:56 PM

Hi Tony,

Thank you for explaining. You must be a teacher, have been, or should be.

I asked where CO2 is distributed so as to be sure it is distributed globally like oxygen.

I have been wondering.
If CO2 is distributed globally and is the cause of increase in AGW and climate change, why is CO2 linked temperature increase not causing extreme weather events globally at the same time?

I think ocean and lake algae in different regions at different times of the year is causing the extreme weather events at different in different regions at different times.

Compare distribution of algae compared to distribution of CO2.

Warmth in increased ocean and lake algae plant matter in various regions, seems to provide a more logical explanation at least.

What do you think?
Posted by JF Aus, Friday, 20 November 2015 9:19:28 AM
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JF Aus you wrote:

"If CO2 is distributed globally and is the cause of increase in AGW and climate change, why is CO2 linked temperature increase not causing extreme weather events globally at the same time?"

Climate varies from region to region depending on topography, closeness to large bodies of water, or the amount of forestry close by. We live about 15 ks from the local weather station; yet, the weather we receive is different to what it is like at the weather station.
Where the height above sea level 20 ks from us is higher, the weather tends to be relatively more extreme. There is very little algae 20 ks from home, or near home.

You either live a very cloistered life in a city, or you are playing a troll like game.

You need to provide scientific evidence.
Posted by ant, Friday, 20 November 2015 10:58:51 AM
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@ ant, Friday, 20 November 2015 10:58:51 AM

ant,
If the level of CO2 is the same everywhere, that level should have impact everywhere globally?
Why is sea level rise not uniform worldwide ?

Non tidal sea level rise occurs where there is algae or in water where algae has recently been.
Can you prove there is no warmth associated with algae?

Cloistered life in a city or playing troll you say.
Presently I am based on waterfront of The Pittwater, sometimes on a vessel in Moreton Bay, and I spend 6 months a year in Solomon Islands out of town.

Get up to date, ant.
The Precautionary Principle declares full scientific certainty is no longer essential to take action to prevent further damage to the environment.
Meanwhile scientists seem to let damage continue while they reiterate mantra calling for scientific evidence.
Since when does scientific evidence already exist for newly found phenomena not yet studied and described?
I don’t know of any peer reviewed evidence of photosynthesis- linked warmth in ocean and lake algae.
I may be the person bringing attention to that and associated phenomena.
Repeated demand for scientific evidence is nonsense, non-sense, no sense in that ‘need’ at all, a waste of crucial time.

Take time to see 2014 scientific based research involving significantly increased distribution and retention of algae in RECENT years in waters off India. Especially note, there is a warming condition associated with sea surface height. Also note enhanced precipitation.
But no measurement or mention of increase in CO2, there or elsewhere .

Algae blooms have also been seen in clear ocean waters southeast and northeast of Sri Lanka. Southeast is toward Western Australia and where prevailing winds blow eastward over Australia.
I think that clear Indian Ocean water would be warm due to algae that has since died and fallen way, as with the warm clear East Australian Current that flows all the way to Victoria.

Note well what is said about Indian Ocean surface algal blooms and important bearing on studies and climate change “scenarios”. Here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24554022

Any comment
Posted by JF Aus, Friday, 20 November 2015 8:38:18 PM
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Tol, an economist, described as a contrarian, has just come out and warned people of the dangers of climate change. Tol had been involved with the IPCC previously.

First sentence from reference:

"In the academic world of climate change, Richard Tol has been labeled a “lukewarmer.” While he believes in man-made climate change, the economist is known for highlighting what he believes to be the positive effects of global warming. Now, the so-called climate contrarian warns human societies will soon feel the brunt of global warming."

http://qz.com/552205/even-this-climate-skeptic-is-now-worried-about-the-potentially-devastating-impact-of-climate-change/
Posted by ant, Saturday, 21 November 2015 7:25:34 AM
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