diver dan

You are completely confused abuot what you're talking about.

You are IN FAVOUR OF authoritarianism, remember? That's what the argument is about.

You're OPPOSED TO individual freedom and private property deciding the resource-uses in issue. Remember? Have the intellectual honesty and decency to admit it, to youself and others.

The author is not criticising the "business model", as if he would accept any other business model that comprises voluntary payment.

He wants ONLY compulsion-based control based ONLY on POLITICAL AUTHORITY. He explicitly rejects ANY operation of individual freedom or private property as part of the so-called funding "business model".

Therefore it's not a business model at all; it's an anti-business model. Just ask Mark. He'll be the first to agree. Won't you Mark?Go ahead. Admit it.

So stop talking confused self-contradictory nonsense.

Your idea that socialism increases the physical productivity of society has no basis in fact or reason. You are just gibbering slogans.

Not just hospitals, but ANY service, cannot be made more efficient, by forcibly removing the possibility of economic calculation, and forcibly severing the service provided, from any voluntary connection to the evaluations of its payers and consumers.

Your economic theories (which you're not even aware of) were completely demolished and exploded IN THE 1870s. You have nothing.

If your and Mark's assumptions were correct, full communism would have been, and would be, a wonderful paradise of plenty and freedom.

You and Mark both have learnt nothing from either theory or practice in the last 100 years, and need to pull your heads out from where the sun don't shine and stop admiring the fragrance therein.

Stop thinking you're radical and cool when all you are is confused shills for the ruling parasite class.

Mark, if I am wrong, then stipulate the objective criterion that delimits what the state should be funding or controlling, and if you can't then make no reply but only an admission that you can't do it.

FMD JKJ and you reckon I'm shrill....don't think so!
It amazes me how many commo's jump ship when their lot improves. At the least, this author stayed on board, kudos to him!

You must be blind Freddy's brother are you. Try slumming it, and visit your local hospital; better write a farewell note if your attending emergency.
Take on a student debt, then line up for a housing loan!
Go unemployed and become a slave to the volunteer industry of NGO's
I think your one of the over privileged this author highlits in his protest to our management society.... No idea of the real pain, and don't want any!

Hi Dan,

So ..... Indigenous people watch universities' business models closely, and dance to whatever tune they play ? 'Stay away', they are told, and they stay away for decades. 'Come in big numbers, like milk cows,' they are told, and lo ! they come.

Ever tried herding cats ?

So the Indigenous graduate numbers have risen from a few hundred in 1980 to forty thousand by the end of this year. A hundred thousand by 2032 - one in every four women, one in every seven men - that's my prediction.

Yes, indeed: from little things, big things grow.

Cheers,

Joe

I don't believe aboriginals were ever "told" to stay away from university loudmouth.
The reason they eventually attended was due to special privileges afforded them, in preference to other members of society.
Thus they fall into the bracket of the elite, in the true sense of the word.
If you want a fair world, then make the offers even, why should university entry, be offered to one group in society more than any other group?
Why have the aboriginal poor been any different to other poor members of society, excluded from tertiary education by lack of opportunity, any more than another poor group.

Here is an example. We have in this example, a land holder who employs a farm hand and his family.
The farm hand lives in workman's cottage on the farm. The same school bus runs past the common gate to the property. Only difference between the farmhands children and the landholders children is, the landholders children are missing from the gate.
They are attending, by means of Government subsidy, a comfortable boarding school in the city which afford those children of the landholder, a rounded education resplendent with tertiary level entrance qualifications.The same Government subsidy is not applicable to the worker. The same educational outcomes are also denied to the workers children!

Since when have poor aboriginal children been denied entry into a public school system in recent times...never. Therefore, aboriginal children are offered the same privileges afforded all children. Sadly, that offer goes mostly unappreciated!
But now different. The same poor, (mostly white) children are watching another group, hand selected, being offered exclusive passage to greater opportunities!

Another reason for booing Adam Goodes, if your a Collingwood supporter!
I don't really care how you wish to paint the picture, it is not acceptable to discriminate!

Hi Dan,

'Special privileges' ? Aboriginal Study Grant has always been the same as the standard student financial support, AUSTUDY. In the earlier days, Indigenous students could get two trips home each year, so many TSI students came down to Adelaide to study. If you want to call that 'privilege', feel free.

All of that came after some generations of quite blatant discrimination, i.e. Indigenous people not allowed to stay in urban arras after 5 p.m. - a rule still in place until about 1960 in most capital cities. Of course, there were exceptions, as long as people were very well-behaved, but it was the general rule. So Indigenous people were at least one or two generations behind even the white working-class in that regard.

And given that around half of the Indigenous population are currently bogged down in the lifelong-welfare culture, the rest haven't done too bad, by their own efforts.

You write of school buses: my wife was the eldest in an Aboriginal family of ten kids; they lived right on the edge of a country town, just inside the town boundaries, between the cemetery and the tip, so they couldn't get the school bus, which for the local farming kids. The school was way out on the other side of town, a mile and a half away. So tell me about privilege.

But as you say,

"I don't really care how you wish to paint the picture, it is not acceptable to discriminate!"

Cheers,

Joe

Depends entirely on your interpretation of "discriminate". Apparently we differ on the meaning in this instance!

But, since when did aboriginals really "want" to assimilate? There is a big difference between wanting to assimilate, and being prevented from assimilating!

I still believe aboriginals are being used-up again for political purposes. Their issues continue to be a hot potato. I'm sure you mean well! I respect you for that!

In keeping with the thread, what are your thoughts on the subject matter of neoliberal management of public institutions per se?