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Changed narratives needed to nurture new negotiations in Palestine : Comments

By David Singer, published 31/8/2015

The Oslo Accords and the Bush Roadmap are dead and buried, even if the headstone is yet to be ceremoniously unveiled.

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The only thing standing in the way of a genuine lasting agreement is Israeli leadership?

Which would then lose its ability to create new settlements filled with new Jewish voters; the only thing that enables duplicitous leaders like Netanyahu to maintain a hold on power!?

You can argue that white is the new black David, but the only time that is true is in the complete absence of light, where everything is black! The absence of light being an anomaly for the absence of truth?

In my opinion the only instrument that might change things without spilling more unnecessary blood; is a very thoroughly amplified and ramped up commercial boycott.

Which apart from creating a continuing exodus heading away from Israel, may well force an emasculated Nethanyahu to the negotiation tale with a genuine signed sealed and delivered; actual agreement in his hands.

It is just not the extreme element on one side scuttling these agreements before the ink is dry; but those on both sides?

And need to be somehow sidelined, by say ending the free lunch or lifestyle money for so called traditional Jews; to end this endless charade!?

If the Jewish extremists were forced to work for a crust, the job and business harming boycott would have a much more useful effect?

And it would likely force the loudest Dr No's from the parliament and out into the workforce where they would likely languish; given their skill sets, are just as sh!t stirrers!?

And they'd be in good company David!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Monday, 31 August 2015 10:50:24 AM
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The Singer continues with his one-man crusade to whitewash Israel. He actually uses the term 'Changed Narratives' a term which has no chance of taking place in Israel.

No, according to Israel, the Jews have dug in and nothing or no one will ever move them. They have even hinted that they will use nukes to ensure that nothing changes or threatens their grand Greater Israel plans.

Singer needs to change his narrative, needs to accept that Israel is the rogue nation which doesn't belong in the Middle East. Israeli claims are fraudulent, based upon lies and wishful thinking.

It's time Israel was chopped down to size before it brings about nuclear war!
Posted by David G, Monday, 31 August 2015 11:23:17 AM
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A real look at history clearly shows there is no mention of a State of Israel anywhere in any history book or map!

Israel is a false nation created in 1948 without the consent or inclusion of the indigenous Arab residents of said land

People of intelligence recognise Israel for what it really is, an Apartheid illegal entity surviving in its location by force, murder and dislocation of the lands rightful owners.

As the U.S. Declines in power so too will Israel. Zionist hatred will come back to haunt and ensure the failure of the ersatz nation of Israel, and none too soon in my opinion.
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Monday, 31 August 2015 1:46:53 PM
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Geoff of Perth

There is ample mention of Israelites (that is Jews) in the land of Israel in the Bible. The Bible has been hugely influential on historians, and their histories, since Roman times. These historians have been or are Christians, Jews and Muslims.

For example "Though Muhammad was not an Israelite, according to Islamic tradition, he was a descendant of Ishmael and therefore traced his descent back to Abraham, like the Israelites." see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_the_Christian_Bible#Muhammad_and_the_Bible .

But you WOULD deny that - and what else?
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 31 August 2015 5:41:23 PM
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As anyone who has half a brain knows there's a lot of crap in the Bible!

It is a non-authoritative source of fable, superstition, wishful thinking, madness, lies, half-truths, exaggerations, contradictions, myths, false promises, etc,.

It's a collection of hand-me-down gossip which demonstrates man's never-ending foolishness and lack of intelligence and psychotic irrationality.

To claim it justifies the creation of Israel borders on insanity!
Posted by David G, Monday, 31 August 2015 6:56:48 PM
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#David G

You state:
"As anyone who has half a brain knows there's a lot of crap in the Bible!" and that the Bible is a "a collection of hand-me-down gossip which demonstrates man's never-ending foolishness and lack of intelligence and psychotic irrationality."

The Encyclopedia Brittanica(EB) certainly does not agree with you - as its entry for "Hebron" elucidates:
" Hebron is one of the oldest cities in the region. Because of its associations with the biblical patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and with King David, it is one of the four holy cities of Judaism (Jerusalem, Hebron, Tiberias, and Zefat [Safed]). In Islamic tradition, which reveres Abraham as a founder of monotheism and precursor of Muhammad, Hebron is among the four holiest cities (Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem, and Hebron). In addition to its important associations with Abraham, Hebron has been regarded by some Muslims as the site of a stopping point along Muhammad’s miraj, or miraculous night journey to Jerusalem; as a result, Hebron has long been a significant site of pilgrimage.

Abraham long lived in Hebron, which was often referred to as Qiryat Arba (Hebrew: “City of the Four” or “Tetrapolis”), possibly referring to four confederated settlements in the area in biblical times or to the fact that the city is built on four hills. At Hebron Abraham purchased the Cave of Machpelah (Hebrew: Marat ha-Makhpelah) as a burial place for his wife, Sarah, from Ephron the Hittite (Genesis 23); this became a family sepulchre. According to tradition, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, with their wives Sarah, Rebekah, and Leah, were buried in the cave. After the Exodus from Egypt, Hebron was one of the cities visited by the spies sent by Moses. Later, Joshua fought the Battle of Aijalon, where “the sun stood still,” against a confederation of Amorite chiefs that included the “king of Hebron” (Joshua 10)"

http://www.britannica.com/place/Hebron-city-West-Bank

Are you indeed really trying to say that your above dismissive and unsubstantiated statements are only held by people with half a brain?

No one could possibly disagree - other than questioning whether they even have half a brain.
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 7:47:28 PM
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#Geoff of Perth
You state:
A real look at history clearly shows there is no mention of a State of Israel anywhere in any history book or map!"

You have been obviously looking in the wrong place.

Try this following map - showing not one but two Jewish States - Israel and Judah

http://www.bible-history.com/maps/israel_judah_kings.html

The following comments can be found at the same site:
"The Northern Kingdom of Israel

The Northern Kingdom consisted of 10 of the tribes (excluding Judah and Benjamin). It lasted for about 210 years until it was destroyed by Assyria in 722 BC. Its capital was Samaria. Every king of Israel was evil. In the northern kingdom there were 9 dynasties (family lines of kings) and 19 kings in all. An average of 11 years to a reign. 8 of these kings met death by violence.

The Southern Kingdom of Judah

The Southern Kingdom consisted of 2 tribes (Judah and Benjamin). The kingdom extended in the north as far as Bethel, while in the south it ended in the dry area known as the Negev. Its eastern and western boundaries were the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. Jerusalem was its capital and it lasted from about 922-586 B.C., Judah had somewhat of a better record. Only 8 of Judah's kings served God. These were: Asa, Jehoshaphat, Joash, Amaziah, Uzziah, Jotham, Hezekiah, and Josiah. The rest of the 20 kings were wicked. In the southern kingdom there was only one dynasty, that of king David, except usurper Athaliah from the northern kingdom, who by marriage, broke into David's line, and interrupted the succession for 6 years, 20 kings in all. An average of about 16 years to a reign.

After Josiah there was no hope for Judah, the last 3 kings were all evil. The Babylonians swept down upon Jerusalem in 597 BC and captured it. A second attack led to Jerusalem's second defeat in 586 BC. Captives from both campaigns were taken to Babylonia to mark the captivity of the Southern Kingdom."

Time for another re-think Geoff.
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 7:59:54 PM
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