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Adam Goodes kicks goals for Australia's race industry : Comments

By John Slater, published 4/8/2015

The Adam Goodes saga says little about the state of race relations in Australia.

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Can't help noticing your a nice middle class white boy.....
So many first world problems to deal with...but that's alright you have mummy and daddies money to fall back on if things get tough.
they might even find you a nice safe seat. mores the pity that we don't have a house of lords that you could stump up to for the rest of your days.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 8:32:48 AM
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The post above was an exercise in stereotyping, I'm sure the author was troubled by it. After all it was just a bit of fun.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 8:34:53 AM
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Thank you to the author for another excellent article.

I notice that one poster has already done his/her best to prove what the author has said. There will be more along no doubt.
Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 9:09:30 AM
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The term "Invasion Day" and another "Survival Day" have been around longer that Adam Goodes - both are in common use by Aboriginal people and are heartfelt, not throw away lines.
Race is an issue alongside the common denigating terms used for Muslim people in this country most of whom are good law abiding citizens.
Quite simply unless you have walked in another man's shoes you will never understand his travails.
Posted by Growly, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 9:36:18 AM
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What a shame! So privileged, so young, yet so blinkered, perhaps even bigoted. Same sort of blinkeredness and self-righteousness of Andrew Bolt, but the cleverness of Alan Jones.

It is an artifice of dis-ingenuity. Might get H2A in a Law subject though, depending on the lecturer.

Remember how Charlie Teo got publicly reprimanded, from high and low, for saying in his Australia Day address that racism is still alive? In short, a Chinaman should know his place, never mind what an outstanding citizen he might otherwise be.

You see, the Chinese became tolerated aliens after Federation in 1901, an imposition from the Imperial Empire dictated by its international interests. (Otherwise the Chinese would have been deported en masse like the kanakas.) A century on the remains of that mentality - those unwanted but tolerated aliens - still shimmers from time to time. Metamorphosed with the tide of time of course.

The Chinese in Australia are okay now,provided that they know their place, as they provide fountains of money (and professional expertise, thanks to our immigration policy that harvests those with brains and money) to keep our economy boiling.

We have moved on! Most successful multicultural society in the world! Yet old habits die hard. We have found other undesirables for public vilification, not too dissimilar from what our forbears did in days now past when Aboriginal peoples were killed for "revenge, convenience and sport". Descendants of some of the dynastic families in rural Queensland have been known to gently allude to the habits of their founding forbears.
Posted by Chek, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 10:05:42 AM
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Mostly agree with Chek, and can only add that not all racially motivated denigration appears on the sporting field, but sometimes in print, as evidenced by this "carefully nuanced" article!?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 10:14:36 AM
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"Can't help noticing your a nice middle class white boy....."

Racism. Alive and on display.
Posted by Prompete, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 10:33:11 AM
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Congratulations on your white penis Prompete.

Really though, I can't take seriously anyone who can't tell the difference between 'their' and 'there'.

I'm not a racist, I'm more of a grammar snob.
Posted by Bugsy, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 11:22:31 AM
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Another sickening attempt by a right wing race baiter to justify bigotry and intolerance.
Posted by mikk, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 11:28:38 AM
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Very good article, bringing the usual left-wing knuckle-draggers out from under their rocks.

The 'race industry' aptly describes people like Waleed Aly and others who practise identity politics, and those OLO white Uncle Toms who seem to think it's good to hate their own country and accuse their fellow white Australians of being racist. Don't you traitors know that you look just like the rest of us whiteys (the ones you keep calling racists), and that the non-whites you are trying to curry favour with think we all look the same. They are probably sniggering at you; feeling contempt at the way you denigrate your own kind. When racial problems really hit the fan - as you lefty galahs will ensure they do- the people you are stirring up will not pick you from the rest of us.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 12:04:10 PM
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What utter rubbish you lefties go on with. Does this bulldust make you feel superior? It certainly makes you look ridiculous.

Goodes is a nasty thuggish bit of work, & I feel sorry for aboriginals that he is considered one of them. After all he is more European than aboriginal. We euros should be ashamed of him, not our reaction to him.

As for his booing being racist, just stop a minute & think of the huge respect & admiration for Mal Meninga.

Compare the 2 responses & it is obvious it is the personal integrity & behaviour that makes one much loved & admired, & the other despised.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 1:12:12 PM
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This article and several of the comments on it seem to me to demonstrate the merits of Waleed Aly’s take on this issue. It is not being aboriginal per se that gets Adam Goodes booed, but being an aboriginal with the temerity to criticise racism, assert his culture and use the phrase “invasion day”.

There is enough dog-whistling and prejudicial language in this article to reveal the author’s biases – the phrase “race industry”, the resentful references to “a well-paid, widely revered elite athlete”, and the analogy with the “jaundiced” #llridewithyou campaign. All designed to infer that there is no real racism in Australia, while inadverently pointing to the opposite.
Posted by Rhian, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 3:05:13 PM
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I agree with Chek and Rhosty. Unless you have walked in Goode's shoes, then you don't really know what racist remarks have done to him over his lifetime.

Hasbeen calls Goodes 'thuggish'.
Why is that?
How is he more thuggish than any of the other footy players?

This subject was discussed on Q&A last night.
I had to laugh as one panelist (African-American) asked why calling Goodes an ape was denigrating his race, given that dark skinned people are predominantly less hairy than light skinned people?

This article hides the author's true intent - saying that the Aboriginals are really lucky to live in such a fab multicultural society as Australia is.
However, to Aboriginal people, it will always be a society taken over by all the other cultures, to the detriment of their own.
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 3:11:07 PM
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Suseonline, "However, to Aboriginal people, it will always be a society taken over by all the other cultures, to the detriment of their own"

You are saying they are racist and xenophoblic.

How come the endless diversity that is deemed absolutely essential for everyone else is no good where Aborigines are concerned?
Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 6:22:40 PM
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Karma

With thanks to Jay of Melbourne, posting in a concurrent thread,

<Back in 2001, promoting round three of that year’s AFL season, the Sydney Swans aggressively encouraged crowds to boo Sydney’s opponents:

[Swans communications manager Stephen] Brassel said the “Boo a Roo” marketing slogan was necessary to entice Swans supporters to attend because the match was not part of the club’s membership package.
....
“We are going to need all our marketing expertise to make this work, and what we are doing with the ‘Boo a Roo’ thing is capitalising on what has happened in the past. You only have to go back to last year when they (the Roos) played here (in Round 20). They were booed for the whole game.”

And that was considered a positive thing. Adam Goodes, by the way, played in both the round 20, 2000 and round three, 2001 matches. At least one indigenous player, North Melbourne’s Byron Pickett, would have been the target of Sydney’s crowd.
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/when_sydney_booed/
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 5:16:35 PM>

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=17558&page=9
Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 7:12:57 PM
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The sooner that people wake up to the fact that it is an honour to be labelled racist or bigoted by ignorant deceitful regressive media and those who share its dogma the better. What greater insult to be seen to be praised by the gw thieves, the baby killers or those who think spearing people is a civilised practice.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 7:26:32 PM
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Onthebeach speaks like the dominant white man he likes to think he is.

Runner speaks like the loving Christian white man he has never been.
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 7:38:16 PM
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Suseonline,

Everyone gets that you hate 'whites'(sic) and 'white' men hugely more.

Back to the question, "How come the endless diversity that is deemed absolutely essential for everyone else is no good where Aborigines are concerned?".
Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 9:38:07 PM
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No, not at all OTB, just misogynists like you, of any colour....
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 10:07:15 PM
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All the noise. Every bit of it. Every slur and accusation. All to try to cover for a hideous attack on a thirteen year old girl.

As Runner said. An honour to be hated by that lot.
Posted by jamo, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 12:43:13 AM
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On the other hand ........

Jetta's celebration dance was surely more joyful, something that every player could participate in, Black and white: imagine the whole team celebrating across the entire oval after a goal ? It would be fantastic !

Imagine if every team celebrated every goal like that. Now that would be 'Recognition'.

If my knees still worked, I'd get up and do one myself.

Joe
www.firstsources.info
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 10:21:15 AM
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It is undesirable for sportspeople to set out to insult the spectators, irrespective.

Regarding the 13yr old child minor, that was child abuse. It was an outrage. There should be a full public inquiry into the actions of the security staff, AFL administrators and police.

Suseonline,

You keep avoiding the question, "How come the endless diversity that is deemed absolutely essential for everyone else is no good where Aborigines are concerned?".
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 12:18:06 PM
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Onthebeach, who said diversity is essential for everyone else, but not for Aboriginals, apart from you?
So you go right ahead and answer the question yourself, as you are so knowledgable.

Loudmouth, I too enjoyed Jetta's dance, but I also liked Goodes' dance as well.
There is something impressive (and other feelings as well!) about fit young men allowing themselves to express their feelings non-aggressively.
I love watching the Haka as well.....
Posted by Suseonline, Thursday, 6 August 2015 1:12:25 AM
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Suseonline,

Nice try at trying to turn it back on me, but no bikkie.

Now what about answering that question you keep ducking? Here again,

"How come the endless diversity that is deemed absolutely essential for everyone else is no good where Aborigines are concerned?"
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 6 August 2015 2:17:37 AM
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A rich, powerful, media trained man KNOWINGLY sets out to harass an immature female and he is the victim? He thought she was 14, a good estimate as she was 13.

This is "White Ribbon" territory and he due to premeditation (he had enough time to well estimate her age) can never be forgiven.
Posted by McCackie, Thursday, 6 August 2015 9:10:51 AM
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Hi McCackie

It is not ok to shout racial abuse at someone even if they are rich and powerful, and a 13-year-old is plenty old enough to know that.

He didn’t “harass” her. Her behaviour was out of line. He pointed it out. The ground staff ejected her, not Goodes. He had no control over their actions. If her ejection was an over-reaction, they were to blame, not him.

As this olo contribution makes clear, the outcome of that incident actually reflects well on all parties

“She rang and apologised, Adam spoke with her and accepted her apology, they were reconciled, and the whole episode is an example of how to handle such a situation.”

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=17570&page=0

He also was quite understanding and protective of her after the incident, saying:

“But I think the … person that needs the most support right now is the little girl”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/adam-goodes-retelling-of-mcg-ape-incident-distorts-the-truth/story-e6frg6nf-1227463695268

Casting her as Goode's victim in this incident is a cynical re-writing of history. Even she acknowledged that what she said was wrong.
Posted by Rhian, Thursday, 6 August 2015 11:19:21 AM
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Rhian, " a 13-year-old is plenty old enough to know that"

Is that so?

What about you try meting out similar abusive treatment, public humiliation and denial of the rights of a child minor and her grandmother carer at a local sporting fixture? You will likely be told very quickly to cease and desist or be escorted yourself from the ground.

It is a strange, unfortunate feature of crowds (Bystander Effect?) that it is possible that even good caring parents, mothers, can remain transfixed, frozen while child abuse being committed before their very eyes at the ground and on television.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-social-thinker/200911/why-don-t-we-help-less-is-more-least-when-it-comes-bystanders

What is very worrying is the entrenched, systemic and extreme political correctness that predisposed, enabled and even 'justified'(sic) then and later, the very sorry handling of the child minor, her elderly grandmother carer and her family.

The public should be treating the outrageous treatment of the 13yr old girl, legitimised by some politicians and the feckless media (a Fourth Estate now dominated by tabloid 'journalism'), as the bellwether of the unforeseen negative consequences of the prevailing political correctness in Australia.
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 6 August 2015 12:21:26 PM
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Sorry, this makes the link easier,

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-social-thinker/200911/why-don-t-we-help-less-is-more-least-when-it-comes-bystanders
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 6 August 2015 12:24:18 PM
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Hi Onthebeach

“child abuse”? “bystander effect”?, The link you provide describes bystanders not intervening in the rape of a 15-year-old. By what possible measure could you see the events as comparable?

She was chucked out for being abusive. The age of legal responsibility in Australia is 10.

If the reaction was excessive, or if her parents or grandparents should have been engaged, blame the security staff not Goodes.
Posted by Rhian, Thursday, 6 August 2015 1:10:18 PM
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Thanks for being so patient Rhian.

chek
Posted by Chek, Thursday, 6 August 2015 1:50:00 PM
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In the seventies, I lived at an Aboriginal community in the Riverland of SA. On Saturdays, I collected entry fees on the gate at ovals where the 'mission' team was playing against a whitefella team and occasionally I acted inefficiently as a goal umpire.

People do funny things when they are in crowds, even 'crowds' of fifty or so. The lovely old ladies from the mission used to really let their hair down when it came to abusing the other teams: as someone from a very sheltered background, I learnt some wonderfully new terms of abuse which, I'm sure, those aunties would disavow ever afterwards.

In a crowd of forty or fifty thousand (about the same number as that of Indigenous university graduates), it's understandable if people sort of submerge themselves in the mass, each person being as one with their fellow-supporters, liberated to cast various aspersions on the manhood, etc. of enemy players.

Canetti and other writers have studied crowds and their surrender of individuality on such occasions. And let's face it, it's enormously enjoyable to swear your head off in a big crowd, cursing every enemy player up and down to your heart's content for a couple of hours. Wit may be in short supply but is highly prized by one's fellow-supporters: solidarity is all. Violence is never far below the surface. Hence the paper cups rather than cans and bottles.

Perhaps there is something primal about being part of a mob. It must have been enormously exciting to be part of a football crowd fifty years ago, cheering on the blokes belting the piss out of each other behind - and even in - the crowd. Mere words wouldn't have cut it.

Just saying :)

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 6 August 2015 3:36:59 PM
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I'm a "nice", white, middle class boy, too, just like this contributor. But unlike him, it seems I have some compassion! His main so-called "argument" against Adam Goodes' performing his dance is that he's "well-paid" and should also be "grateful he's paid to play football".

But as Alexander Pope, the English poet, said several centuries ago, "No man is an island". In other words, Goodes has relatives and friends he cares about who are NOT well-paid football stars and he would care about their welfare -- and that of his community -- in much the same way that this contributor would care about HIS family, friends and community. So Goodes isn't just obsessed with his bank account and TEMPORARY status as a star footballer in the way that this politically-RAW, STILL wet-behind-the-ears contributor seems to think!

AS for his comments on multiculturalism in Australia, he knows virtually nothing about that, too! I would basically agree with the female journalist he tried to ridicule. Unless you're a EUROPEAN-born member of Australia's multicultural community, then she's basically dead-right: the only aspect of immigrant cultures that the VAST majority of white Australians can tolerate is their delicious food -- which leaves for dead the AWFUL food we inherited from the British -- and an occasional folk-dance or two in quaint costumes during multicultural month!

Overall, I support Peter Fitzsimons' views on the race issue in Australia. There is no way in the wide, wide world that such an immature and EXTREMELY privileged individual such as this contributor could EVER understand this issue. I'm not a Christian, but wasn't it Jesus who said you should "walk a mile in a man's shoes before you judge him"?

Finally, this contributor ALLEGEDLY studies Arts/Law at Queensland's best university, so why is his so-called "case" against what he DESPICABLY calls "the race industry" so PATHETIC? And by the look of it, he's apparently grooming himself for a career in Federal politics. God help the rest of us if he ever does make it! We'd have yet another born-to-rule careerist like Christopher Pyne on our hands!
Posted by peb1950, Monday, 10 August 2015 9:14:46 PM
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Firstly I didnt realize there was a 'race industry'. The whole situation has been so exaggerated, used and abused. The 13 year old certainly learnt her lesson. AG's 'war dance' was inappropriate, a bit arrogant and unsportsmanlike. The crowds response of booing and head shaking was understandable and not at all racist. But no... someone like Waleed Aly turns it into unquestionable racism, his comments themselves reek racism and are his opinion only, not a qualified view. The author adds comments from 'intellectuals' mentioning uni's they are involved in whose comments like 'he wont be a nice quit aboriginal...' then 'when one color stands out...'Really?? Have these people even visited aboriginal communities/towns and experienced racism themselves? Another 'a society taken over by other cultures to the detriment of their own'. What a load of crap. The likes of AG and Stan Grant, though proud of their aboriginal heritage, are very mixed race. Stan Grants great grandad was among the first settlers, Scottish prisoner. Apart from the traditional full blood aboriginals, every other of them has varying amounts of European heritage.
Posted by jodelie, Saturday, 29 August 2015 2:55:06 AM
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John,
I don't think anyone is saying that 100% of the booing is coming from a racist element. But there is this aspect, described by Aly, as the 'uppity black' who doesn't know his place. If it is just 50%, or even 30%, or 10% of those in the crowd who boo Goodes because they take a dislike to the colour of his skin, then that is a shameful representation of our game and our society. And it's no wonder the football community (Goodes' true peers) were united in striving to make the booing stop.

The AFL tried to ignore it in hope that it would go away. They did this for many months until it became a stench that couldn't be ignored.

You want to make apologies for those who boo Goodes. You speak of certain reasons such as the imaginary spear throwing incident. The fact is that Goodes was being booed that night before the invisible spear appeared (or didn't). The booing started over a year before that, and also before he was announced Australian of the Year, an award given not least for his outstanding career achievements, but also for his off field conduct.

I love going to the footy, and I love the privilege of booing the villain. That's part of the theatre of the spectacle. But in this case, it had gone beyond the pantomime. It had turned ugly. And the football community and all true footy fans have said, 'Enough!'
Posted by Dan S de Merengue, Saturday, 5 September 2015 3:25:33 AM
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