Hi there LEGO...

Your opening remarks that you'd addressed to A J PHILLIPS; '...I don't debate against links...'. Well I'm really sorry for you old man, because that's all A J PHILLIPS has, in his limited inventory of responses !

Perhaps you should have answered them the first time around then, LEGO.

<<...I don't debate against links.>>

You don’t have to click on them (your “audience” and “impartial observers” at least have the opportunity to though), just as I am under no obligation to repeat myself simply because you chose to ignore or misconstrue me the first time around.

<<That puts the onus upon me to do all the work, re-reading everything you have written…>>

So why should the onus be on me to repeat myself? Sorry, but it is you who is trying to make me do the additional work and waste my word count. I already waste enough words quoting you to save us both time.

<<Then you will say that I am misinterpreting and misquoting you again.>>

Lucky for you I actually go to the effort of demonstrating it too then, rather than just claiming that you do.

<<I submitted that one aspect of rising crime…>>

You haven’t demonstrated that it’s rising yet. You could start by negating my arguments against Sullivan’s use of her data.

<<One fact which confirms my premise, was the importation of people from very violent cultures…>>

In trying to prove your point, you become more and more specific in your evidence. Remember, I’m talking about the overall crime rate. Here you're talking specifically about immigrants from certain cultures, in specific areas, committing specific crimes. That's cherry-picking at its finest.

<<Now, you call the evidence of my own eyes "anecdotal", implying that it is untrue.>>

No, my point was more to do with the unreliability of anecdotal evidence and its being indicative of an argument that has no basis. It was also in reference to the overall crime rate, so your request for “hard statistical scientific evidence” demonstrating that graffiti is no worse than 50 years ago is barking up the wrong tree.

o sung wu,

I link back to old posts not because my arguments are limited, but they have not yet been countered/addressed. I’m actually hankering to move on, but it appears LEGO has nothing more. I've apparently over-estimated him.

Congratulations, AJ. You spent all of your last post standing on your dignity, and wrote nothing on the topic under discussion. I know that you want to run me around in circles with your links, like you did with the Tim Flannery quote, but like I said after that effort, I won't get caught with that tactic twice.

If you do not want to write reasoned arguments supporting whatever vague premises you are implying, that is OK with me. Impartial audiences will be swayed by a speaker who is prepared to submit reasoned arguments that support his clearly stated position, especially when what he or she says cross connects with facts already known and appreciated by the audience.

Crime is rising. I have submitted four examples, armed robbery, disproportionate and serious ethnic criminal behaviour, hand gun shootings, and graffiti. In every case I have provided both hard and "anecdotal" evidence to support my claim.

Other than moaning that crime is not rising, and demanding that I do all the work and prove that it is rising (which I am doing), you have not submitted any evidence to support your IMPLICATION that crime is not rising. You have grudgingly conceded that sociologist Lucy Sullivan was right when she said in her book that armed robbery was rising. You have not commented on the NSW BCS&R report that handgun crime rose after the gun buyback. You have said previously that you think that the degree of ethnic criminal behaviour is exaggerated, (which runs contrary to public perception in Sydney) but whereas I have provided hard evidence to support my premise, you have done nothing.

Finally comes grafitti. I have provided "anecdotal" evidence while you have provided nothing at all. And every older member of OLO who witnessed how graffiti became a went from a trivial problem to a serious problem in the early 80's will agree with my "anecdotal" recollection, and will wonder what planet today's "criminologists" come from

Just to add to the debate, the Australian Crime Commission's annual Illicit Drug Data Reports show the established, increasing trend of illicit drugs importation, manufacture and use in Australia, with new records being set.

It is the imported organised gangs - made possible through immigration and multicultural policies that put large numbers and 'diversity' above effective risk management and retaining the Australian culture and way of life - that are directly responsible for:

- the increases in drug manufacture, import and trafficking,

AND

- for the violence associated with drugs and especially relevant here, weapons crime.

The gangs import and sell their preferred 'gangsta' guns.
[Note for John Howard enthusiasts: criminals do not give a hoot about 'gun control', but they are thankful for the disarmed, vulnerable public that makes their business so much easier]

Regrettably the same extreme political correctness that puts 'diversity' and large numbers of migrants ahead of risk management is also responsible for rolling logs in the way of retaining and analysing ethnic crime numbers.

The task of waving the red flag to show the unforeseen negative consequences of the 'lapses' (sic) in immigration screening has fallen upon whistleblowers such as retiring senior police. A Google search should remind NSW residents of stern warnings of imported ethic gangs and traditions of violence from a number of retired senior police officers, including police Commissioners. The warnings have been routinely ignored by the political parties, always concerned about the ethnic vote in marginal seats.

The importation of criminal gangs, their drug business and weapons violence is not new, as demonstrated by the Calabrian Mafia with Italian migrants. What has always been obvious too has been the migration lobbyists' success in cloaking the negatives and building the motherhood that any migration is always 'good' for Australia. That goes well back too, Google search Labor's Al Grassby, the 'Father of Multiculturalism' and his connections with the Calabrian Mafia, for instance in Griffith, NSW.

and criminal gangs also manufacture firearms, unfortunately the easiest to make are sub-machine guns; this practice is highly illegal but what the heck, when did that ever stop a criminal?

Google shows some interesting designs,(no patent fees applicable),
one, the 9mm BSP is named for many of its components which are British Standard Pipe fittings and come from the local hardware store.

Well A J PHILLIPS, as it now appears that you wish to 'move on', please, don't let me delay you ! Why not go and annoy a bunch of boozers at the local pub, or a bikie gang somewhere ? I'm sure they'd thoroughly enjoy receiving an avalanche of your usual verbiage and academic detritus !