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Climate change and the Fabian Society : Comments
By Don Aitkin, published 14/7/2015The Fabians in Australia seemed to me for a long time to be sort of think-tank for the ALP, but from the incremental rather than the socialist wing. But I now see that there has been a subtle change in the way they present themselves.
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Posted by Rhrosty, Tuesday, 14 July 2015 11:06:23 AM
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I wasn't aware that asbestos had any thing to do with climate change or the Fabian Society.
It never ceases to amaze me how, even with a clear straightforward topic such as this - the attitudes of the Fabians viz climate change, given the Society is the intellectual machine behind Left-wing politics, the Great Alarmists - that some people go so quickly off topic to push their barrows. In this case, suggesting that AGW 'denial' is somehow linked with the now- proven dangers of asbestos which were previously denied. And in the very first post. Great thinking! Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 14 July 2015 11:17:16 AM
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I used Asbestos as an example. It was known in the 1st century that people who worked with it died. 1930 saw the first Government report to say it was dangerous yet, we didn't stop using the substance until 2003. Why?
Curmudgeon" The evidence is tangible and not subject to dispute"it took many years for the weight of evidence to beat the industry. but then again have a look at JunkScience.com. Don, around 30 percent of mine workers get Asbestosis, over 100,00 people have died form Asbestosis in the US. The mini ice age story is by one research team, and their finding have not been tested by their peers. But more importantly have you read their actual paper rather then the reports in the news papers? Posted by Cobber the hound, Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:02:24 PM
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The connection with asbestos is that companies who produce harmful effects on people and the environment typically fund misinformation about these effects.
On asbestos, see http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117119/asbestos-still-killing-people http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/sep/23/controversiesinscience.health On the similar campaigns about climate change, see http://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/fight-misinformation/climate-deception-dossiers-fossil-fuel-industry-memos?utm_source=tw&utm_medium=tw&utm_campaign=tw&s_src=socnet&s_subscr=twitter#.VaR2kFzJG8V How can climate change deniers not see that they are being used? Posted by Godo, Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:45:16 PM
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Cobber, asbestos causes two different medical problems: asbestosis and mesothelioma.
Asbestosis is a more manageable condition, though it can be lethal if you inhale enough asbestos. Mesothelioma is far more dangerous, but it only affects those with a genetic predisposition. At first it was thought to only be caused by blue or brown asbestos, but in the mid 20th century it was discovered that white asbestos could also set it off, and more recently it was found that some other similar minerals that weren't officially classified as asbestos had that effect. Posted by Aidan, Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:48:52 PM
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Does the scare monger tactics of Abbott constitute anything, first Hockey then Abbott. Abbott has made an art form out of it.
Posted by doog, Tuesday, 14 July 2015 2:19:03 PM
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On the unrelated subject of climate change we've recently had the hottest forten years on record; and the solar furnace that's allegedly responsible for the climate has been in a waning (cooling) phase since the mid seventies. (NASA)
In your opening paragraph you could have been describing me, but degenerated toward the end of the article to someone completely at home with the flat earth society, with a locked and bolted mindset that is a requirement for the evidence ignoring predilection peculiar to their particular belief system?
Rhrosty.