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By Peter West, published 25/6/2015An end, please, to these wacky ideas for wiping the slate clean and starting all over.
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Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 25 June 2015 2:31:24 PM
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No ttbn, according to top tax payer and broadcaster Alan Jones, he only pays 15 cent in the dollar now; thanks to the 33 cents he can claim back on his super!
And this subsidy will soon cost the budget bottom line more than the aged pension!? And then there are other things tailor made for the dishonest clever to rort the system, negative gearing and family trusts? In any event, none of this would be possible if we were to jettison both measures, but compensate by raising and then indexing the tax threshold, which although providing relief for the better off, would provide more and more to the less well off; in comparison. And then paying an taxable income education endowment, would ensure that those with the means to fully fund their own kids schooling would be obliged to do so, rather than expect those honest taxpayers, which are most folks, to do it for them! And those who's taxable income stayed below the new higher and indexed for inflation, threshold, no longer asked to pay, for them, unaffordable tax!? And that would finally put an element of true choice at the fingertips of all parents, rather than those, who thanks largely to a better education, may have superior means! We need a system that allows the cream to rise to the top, rather than homogenize it into the mass! Rhrosty. Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 25 June 2015 2:57:00 PM
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Rhrosty,
OK. I was wrong about that, and your sample fat cat would certainly not say that he wasn't paying much tax if he wasn't. He is likely to justify it by saying the free kick on super is because he is saving them from not paying him a pension - as if he would ever need a pension anyway! Agree with your comments on negative gearing. Not sure about the endowment, which is really a gift: but then you tax it? Would rich and poor alike receive it? Would it be means-tested even though it's taxed? Silly Billy McMahon, I think it was, believed everyone should have received the pension When income tax paid for the Age Pension, and the rich of course paid more tax. That was absurd, and it never happened. So, similarly to that, do you envisage a possibilty that public education would not be available to the rich? Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 25 June 2015 5:23:00 PM
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Peter West, you say "the 'Building the Education Revolution' program was a waste of public money, especially in State schools in NSW and Victoria." But have you got any evidence to justify your inclusion of the word "especially"? AIUI it wasn't a waste of public money except in state schools in NSW and Victoria.
__________________________________________________________________________________ JKJ, state ownership does not equate to a sausage factory approach. And do you really regard overcoming the disadvantage of the parents' financial situation as some sort of class war? Surely if your primary concern is education, the objective should be to make good quality education available to everyone, regardless of parents' wealth? __________________________________________________________________________________ ttbn, even if government intervention can't completely heal dysfunction, it can do a lot to mitigate it. And not wasting money is insufficient to make anyone rich. Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 25 June 2015 5:57:01 PM
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Posted by renu11, Thursday, 25 June 2015 9:13:11 PM
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Aidan
You're contradicting yourself. Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Thursday, 25 June 2015 9:55:17 PM
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I mean if man were meant to fly he'd have wings right? Or sail under the sea, he'd have gills, right? And or, if meant to exceed 10 miles an hour, he'd be born with skates on, right?
As for moving out of the cave, building their own shelters and growing their own food, instead of chasing it down with a stone tied to a stick, where do these people get their wacky ideas from?
I mean what's next, a manned mission to the moon or even mars?
Or build a moon base?
I mean, don't these wackos know there's no air up there?
Let's hope they do find intelligent life up there, cause there's bugger all down here on planet earth!
But particularly when it comes to government using finite funds the most efficiently!
Or how not to squander our best and brightest and or, most talented.
I mean and surely, it's just not an accident that the man with the highest IQ was collecting garbage? What does he do now it's all automated?
Political science! Now there's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one?
The best part of any education begins the day after you leave school or uni, and into the hardest school of all; daily life and or, just earning an honest quid.
Rhrosty.