Thanks, Don, for updating us on the climate fraud, and bringing Tom Karl, another climate liar, to our attention.

We have warmair back again, with another dishonest fraud-backing post, where he mentions a slight trend in diminution of Arctic ice, but fails to mention the record increase in Antarctic ice.

L.L: Given a warmer globe, one would expect more or greater global convection!

And consequently more downward mixing of subzero stratospheric air at the poles!

And more so at the south pole where the much larger ice mass reflects back significantly more radiant heat!

Nonetheless, record ocean temperatures, as high as an unprecedented 4C in Antarctic waters; mean, more melting and more fresh water being added to the area, which by the way, is encircled by an ocean current, traveling west to east.

Now as you might know, fresh water freezes more readily than salt water, and given increased global convection, one would expect the increasing downward mixing subzero stratospheric air; coupled to the fact that much of Antarctica is actually a very large high plateau, one would expect significantly lower atmospheric temperatures at the south pole!

And given the capacity of fresh water to freeze far more readily, one would expect some increase in some ice, even as other parts were nonetheless melting away?

And it seems, exactly what is happening!

And exactly what the climate change models would predict. I mean, nothing occurs in isolation!

And something of a worry given some of the now melted ice shelf has exposed a huge fresh water lake; only held back by a melting ice sheet, which when released will allow enough water to escape to raise the worlds combined oceans by 3 metres?

And when released not as a trickle but a veritable tidal wave or tsunami, that won't stop until the oceans have risen around three metres; or enough water to put all the ground floor apartments in surfers or main beach, completely under water!?

Now nobody is predicting that will happen tomorrow or next week or next year. Just that it will happen if nothing else changes!

One also notes that none of this measured increase in water temperatures, [some as high as 2C,] or increased global convection, can't be put down to increased solar radiation, given the great solar furnace in the sky, has been in a waning phase since the mid-seventies! (NASA)
Rhrosty.

Rhosty,

I've not heard of an unprecedented Antarctic ocean temperature of 4 degrees C. Could you provide the reference?

As usual we have Leo Lane form cloud cuckoo land who's comments are endless versions of all the scientists are frauds and liars.

Just to clarify the Antarctic sea ice that reached a record area last year is seasonal ice and refers to the winter maximum, because the sea ice almost completely melts each summer, it is of little consequence except to mariners. The figures I gave previously are for Arctic summer minimums. Anyway what is of far more importance is the fact that Antarctic land ice loss has also accelerated over the last couple of decades.

Quote from http://www.bom.gov.au/state-of-the-climate/

"Ice-mass loss from Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets has accelerated. The mean estimated rate of ice loss from the Antarctic ice sheet has increased nearly five-fold from an estimated mean of 30 gigatonnes per year (Gt/yr) for the period from 1992 to 2001, to 147 Gt/yr for the period 2002 to 2011. The rate of ice loss from the Greenland ice sheet has increased from 34 to 215 Gt/yr over the same period.

The average rate of ice loss from glaciers around the world, excluding glaciers on the periphery of the ice sheets, was very likely 226 Gt/yr over the period 1971 to 2009, and very likely 275 Gt/yr over the period 1993 to 2009."

This all goes to show that the idea that warming suddenly stopped some 18 years ago is nuts.

I'm not a scientist but I have a technical background. Climate scientists would have the greatest understanding of what's happening to our environment, and even that knowledge has it's limitations.

I understand our environment/climate is an entanglement of many closed loop systems, each with an influence on other systems.
All is well until one or more of these systems goes into a run-away condition.

Of interest, is the amount of carbon in the atmosphere, the increasing acidity of some oceans and the melting of the north and south ice masses.

It's not so much the quantity, but the rate of change which concerns me. We know these things do change over time, but it's the sudden rate of change which we are seeing that we must take as serious signs.

That's about the end of my current thoughts on it, except to say we must really increase the levels of our renewable energy targets. They are not high enough, and pollies should get a backbone and demand higher renewable energy targets.

Cartoon depicts a simple pollution solution . . . .

https://cartoonmick.wordpress.com/editorial-political/#jp-carousel-917

Cheers
Mick

Cartoonmick,

You say that 'the sudden rate of change which we are seeing' is what alarms you. In what exactly? And what is the reference? I do a lot of reading in this area, and there's no sudden rate of change — at least of any significance — that I can see.