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Thinking the unthinkable about Russia and China : Comments

By Simon Louie, published 10/6/2015

The world is far, far more globally integrated than the years preceding the First World War, yet emerging countries such as Russia and China are taking steps to challenge the territorial status quo in their respective regions.

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Forget 1909, I heard somewhere that WW1 was planned since 1885.
Germanys economic and industrial growth was seen as a threat.
England was bankrupt, and they needed a source of income to make war.
Woodrow Wilson was put into power (his opponent was bought off and given a position as head of the supreme court) and he passed the Federal Reserve act of 1913 - at which point the bankers in England took control of the US system of money and credit.
The first order of business was for the Fed to loan England 400 million dollars in which to make war with Germany.

Russia and China are challenging Western hegemony by creating the BRICS bank.
America is trying to force these countries to capitulate, in just the same way Yemen is being punished for daring to kick out their US puppet ruler Hadi.

Both Saddam and Ghaddafi were attacked because they wanted to escape western hegemony and were planning their own gold backed currencies.

Syria is being attacked because they are allied with Russia and wont allow a Saudi Arabian / Qatar oil pipeline through their country because it challenges Russia's control of oil into the EU.

The only 2 countries left that do not have Central Banks in them are North Korea and Iran.

The US also broke its commitment made at the end of the Cold War that it would not expand NATO onto Russia's doorstep, and the recent conflict in Ukraine was started by the US.
Just about everything we are told by the corporate media about this conflict could be debated.

Russia and China have a strategic military partnership.
Chinese troops recently marched in Russia's Victory Day Parade.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 9:51:07 AM
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I mean seriously, does anyone except the moribund think China would swap their commercial arrangements with Europe, America and most of the rest of the world, for a tighter union with an also expansive Russia; which wants to reinstate the USSR, which by the way, once included Mongolia and its resources!

The only one thinking the unthinkable and determined to keep oil an economic weapon is Putin!? The only one served by it; or the unthinkable!?

And that then threatens a relatively resource poor China far more than energy rich nations like America, Canada, Australia!

It is a very different nuclear armed world from the one that may have envisaged expansion and or territorial gain via war, at the turn of the twentieth century!

And it's in nobody's interest, least of all China, to bite the hand that feeds it or the tail of the American grizzly. The way a very much mistaken Japan tried during WW11!

And we know how that ended for Japan!

And just where does this garbage/propaganda emanate from anyway? St Petersburg!?

Oh yes sure, it'd be great if a relatively weak Russia, could load the gun and get a much more powerful China to not only fire it but wear all of the more serious repercussions!

Particularly the economic ones that will indubitably guarantee that China returns to the impoverished nation it has dragged itself by the bootstraps, out of!

And if China and America foolishly should go head to head, who will be the only premier power left standing and able to impose her will on lessor nations; a bite at a time!? Yeah, Russia!

Conversely, should America, her Allies and China gang up on Russia; and without actually needing to fire a shot, just exhibit JFK's iron willed resolve, likely put a sabre rattling, power mad Putin back in his box!

Q: Why will Putin be buried (put-in ground) around a 100 ft deep, preferably after he's dead?

A: Because deep deep down Putin is a really nice bloke! Ha, ha.
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 11:02:15 AM
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Armchair Critic

Excellent analysis. (I wish YOU were running the world.) WWI really began in 1899, when the German economy finally overtook Britain's.

A similar scenario took place with Japan in the 1930s, when the SE Asian colonial powers of the time - Britain, the Netherlands and France, under the tutelage of the US - manipulated Japan into war by deliberately restricting its access to oil.

It's sickening how the same old same old sabre-rattling scenario is being played out yet again. As soon as a nation - large or small - starts to threaten the economic interests of the superpowers, it is suddenly framed as expansionist, its leader(s) monsterfied and the 'something must be done' propaganda revs up into high gear. Sceptics and critics of the mounting madness are quickly 'Chamberlained' into silence.

It's all going to end very unpleasantly.
Posted by Killarney, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 5:16:59 PM
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Rhosty: While agree with a lot of your post (the first sentence sums up the situation nicely), I will nitpick a bit about your sentence regarding China's native production and it's resources.

China actually either leads the world or is in the top three for production of many mineral commodities.

With respect to Australia's exports, China is not currently as dependent on Australia's resources as people claim. In most commodities it out produces Australia but because of their massive demand still requires our imports. However, If Australia stopped exports completely it would be a blow to China but certainly not a knock-out.

However, having said this, China does chew through quite a few of its resources faster than us in percentage terms for two reasons: 1) they use a lot more and 2)they have less reserves in some commodities. But, even given this for most there are still decades to centuries worth of most reserves.

eg: Contrary to what people think China produces more iron ore than Australia, it is in fact the world's largest producer-- admittedly if I remember correctly our ore is higher quality.

eg: With regards to coal, which has different types that are used for energy (steaming) and steel production (coking), China is the world's largest producer. They have about 50% of world production of all coal (ie: steaming and coking combined by tonnage). Australia is actually a minor coal producer with only about 5%. Although, while being a small producer we are the world's second largest exporter after Indonesia (since the largest producers China, USA and India use either all or most of their own production).

eg: For oil: China produces about 1/2 as much as USA and about 10% more than Canada. It produces about 12 times as much as us.

eg: For natural gas: China produces about 15% of USA and 75% of Canada's production. It produces slightly more than twice as much as us.
Posted by thinkabit, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 5:42:38 PM
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Hey Killarney,

To quote Michael Rivero from
http://whatreallyhappened.com
http://youtu.be/OBf-uhRuY3Y

"We're living in an age where virtually every single government knows what the problem is. Private Central Banks issuing the public currency as a loan with interest that traps nations and its people in hopelessly unpayable debt."
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 11 June 2015 9:41:14 AM
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Here's a thought which might explain China's urgency about establishing itself as a world power: its demographic bomb will hit the fan in ten years, more or less, and China will follow the path of Japan. So it's pretty much now or never.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 11 June 2015 4:07:16 PM
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Even by the somewhat loose standards of OLO this article plummets new depths in its profound ignorance. The author clearly knows little or nothing of modern history, international law, economics and much else. There are huge changes going on in the world and BRICS and the SCO are leading the charge. Australia has the choice of joining this fundamental realignment or continuing to hitch its wagon to the failing western imperialist model. Judging by the level of insight and ignorance displayed in this article it is not too hard to guess where we are heading.
Posted by James O'Neill, Saturday, 13 June 2015 3:28:38 PM
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