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Is 10 days in Turkey a thing now? : Comments

By Lesley Waker, published 5/6/2015

So why are we all flying so much when most of us are concerned about the effects of climate change?

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In an Ideal world all fossil fuel would be left in the ground, the problem that arises is if we are to only use fossil fuels for emergencies and essentials were do we draw the line?
My view is that we can and should over as short as time as practical eliminate the need for fossil fuels, but in the meantime it is not practical to enforce a list of acceptable uses. Instead of picking on one particular activity and demonize it, we should tackle the problem head on and that is how to provide pollution free transport. For an extreme example see the solar impulse 2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Impulse
http://www.solarimpulse.com/

Or for something slightly less extreme how about a solar powered boat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%BBranor_PlanetSolar
Posted by warmair, Saturday, 6 June 2015 12:10:19 PM
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People will only stop flying so much with price signals, i.e. expense, but not sure it is fair as wealthy will continue to travel.

A start would be in government and the tax code, i.e. discourage domestic and international travel for any state body, whether by declining travel approval, and/or changing the tax code which allows claiming as expense all travel and company cars.

The reason this is practical is because it's now possible to do much more via digital internationally whether that be communications, analysis and marketing, and if 'knowledge workers', or whatever administrative managers call themselves, wish to remain competent they must deal with digital disruption.

However, this will also require a quantum leap in public and private corporate outlook or DNA where the 'top people' view 'international travel' as perceived social status in Australia (in past only the 'top people' travelled), and an 'entitlement', even if unnecessary.

Recently the international education sector released a draft strategy which talks about increasing market diversity (away from Asia), but no mention of digital except for teaching MOOCS).

Meanwhile university/TAFE, our fonts of learning and wisdom, the automatic or only strategy and objective administrative personnel nominate is international travel plan approval (included as a task on job descriptions!!?), then look for activity to 'distribute marketing materials' offshore, while ignoring all year round digital.... (travel/events) minimum $500 million p.a.?

Ten or more years ago it was the only way i.e. using FIFO to events, international meetings, conferecnes etc. now a waste of time when all (especially students) are online, yet digital remains egregiously avoided.

Unfortunately, in the state sector and especially university/TAFE complaining about funding, this activity is unnecessray, incessant, incompetent and corrupt, and requires not just a change in mentality but also job descriptions, before they really do become 'digitally disrupted'....
Posted by Andras Smith, Saturday, 6 June 2015 6:57:35 PM
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You forgot the mid-brain. This is the part responsible for bleating wanting to run with the herd; it's responsible for dominance/submission, and who's-in-with-the-in-crowd versus ostracism.

So we have the lizard brain wanting to go on holidays.

The sheep brain wanting to be trendy by bleating about how human consumerism is evil, and reposing open-ended credulity in higher authority.

Then there's the forebrain recognising that man-made CO2 levels have gone up and up and up while global temperatures have flat-lined; that nothing in the universe is sustainable; and prudently providing for the satisfaction of human wants despite the attacks of the moron/parasite class.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Sunday, 7 June 2015 11:15:39 AM
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By the way, these 9 million people going on overseas holidays and playing on the internet, are the same people bleating about how education is an intrinsically unaffordable thing and that's why we need government to indoctrinate all the children in the population under compulsion for 11 years.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Sunday, 7 June 2015 11:32:49 AM
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How many air routes could be replaced by rapid rail, say much faster magnetrons with a current top speed of around 900 Klms. P.H., connected to very fast ferries, where tunnels aren't the better cost effective option?

Really rapid rail could be powered by carbon free means, and the fast and largest ferries could be nuclear powered?

Currently the fastest ships are nuclear powered carriers, and the fastest subs able to outrun chasing destroyers are nuclear powered subs?

Subs are vastly underutilized as public transport, given they can reach speeds somewhere near a reported nuclear powered 50 knots, and with an armchair ride regardless of surface conditions; or even where volcanic eruption or weather conditions have rendered every other form of transport impossible!

And much safer from pirates in small boats than any other form of ocean going transport.

In fact, there's a good case to make the fast ferries completely submersible for all the aforementioned reasons.

And less at risk of being shot down whilst traversing hostile territory.

When a train is forced to stop, or shot at, it may be able to reverse to safer territory.

However, when a plane is forced to stop/looses motive power; the only remaining option is to fall like a stone until it reaches terminal velocity or the ground, whichever it reaches first!

In any event, carbon free video conferencing could replace most of the face to face meetings and the therefore able to avoid redundant air travel?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Sunday, 7 June 2015 11:54:16 AM
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J.K.J. Solar thermal activity has been in decline (waning phase) since the mid seventies; (NASA) therefore global temperatures should have been falling since then, if solar thermal activity, were the only cause of global warming? Rather than either increasing or flatlining!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Sunday, 7 June 2015 12:03:27 PM
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