‘morning Aiden,

I guess there is no kind way to say this, but it seems somehow mandatory for warmers and friends to denigrate those who dare to be contrary to the faith. This is based on Attitudes, Values and Beliefs (AVB’s). It is AVB’s that determine the hostile actions of the warmertariat.

Patrick Moore has somehow fallen from the grace of the warmers and must therefore be closed down, abused and accused?

Just imagine for one moment that you knew that the global renewables industrial index, RENIXX has collapsed, or that all but the EU/UN carbon credits markets had collapsed and the two remaining markets had fallen from $44.55 in 2008, to under $5.00 now, or that the EU had voted to remove renewables subsidies, or that Germany was building twelve new coal fired power stations, nine of which will burn Lignite, or that the EU pays 60% more for fossil fuels than the USA, or that India, Japan, Russia, China, Canada, Australia, NZ, most of Eastern Europe, including Bulgaria, are all building their industrial futures based on coal and gas. Imagine that the world is awash with cheap fossil fuels.

Now lets talk about AVB’s shaping actions. Imagine you are in charge of the academic superannuation portfolios for Universities Australia and have acceded to activist pressure to purge investments in fossil fuels and switch to renewables, or that the ABC, Fairfax, many green NGO’s, Unions and green MP’s have done the same with their super funds. So far so good?

Now fast forward to 2015 and the announcement that Banco Santander, the last of the worlds three biggest renewables investors is departing Australia stating that “the large scale clean energy industry is practically uninvestable” and that clean energy projects in Australia have declined by 90% in the last 12 months.

So Australia’s best and brightest, our so called “intelligentsia” in humanities academia, ABC, Fairfax, Unions and green NGO’s have all been taken to the cleaners on their stupid superannuation decisions. Ooops!

They may be intellectuals but their AVB’s drove their actions, very bad decisions.

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When I see ABC presenters, Fairfax journalists and academics trotting out the “science” and spruiking renewables, a warm glow of irony permeates my very being, it manifests as a huge smile of satisfaction. No wonder they get all their academic friends to thump out the CAGW massage, they all got done over, so until and unless they can get renewables pumping again they all have a big black hole in their super investments.

Just like you and your warmer friends, they could have looked outside their self referential networks, they could have done some research, they might have engaged in critical thinking and could have become aware of the real issues referred to here. But their faith driven AVB’s prevented them and they are now paying the price, tough.

You choose to denigrate Patrick Moore and yet the IPCC was run until recently by a former railway engineer and soft porn writer Rajendra Pashuri (look where that got him?). Some might find that amusing, but I guess he was employed to keep the gravy train running eh?

If your science had any merit, all the global infrastructure that was put in place to support Kyoto would still be in place, but wasn’t good so the infrastructure was allowed to rot. Now there isn’t enough energy in the scientific, political or financial systems to turn things around.

It is perhaps convenient to forget, or perhaps you never knew, that a $1 Trillion has been sucked out of the EU economy since 2008 for de-carbonization, all paid for by taxpayers and energy consumers. Every cent went straight to the biggest industrial companies on the planet, rent seekers and climate research grant hunters, yet not one EU nation is on track to meet its targets. Great job boys.

So the next time you feel like denigrating someone who has a different take on your faith, you might stand in front of a mirror and “look into things” a bit more. You never know Aiden, it might prevent you and your CAGW friends from looking like real pratts rather than intelligentsia.

Play nicely.

Spindoc....

I see you still invent your realities and believe in them:)..That's so nice, I hope you get well soon. Humans are changing the planet and you know this...Our own evolutionary directions are and always will be "a rock and a hard place", given all systems must run at all costs...but to slow and show down, gives thinking time to all concerned.

Chemicals that have manifested, not only into your body...but into all life-forms right across the board, seems to be fine....However, the DNA " which is also chemically based" These structures can be forced to create something we may not want....

A hundred years from now....I hope your right.

Play nicely.

Posted by spindoc, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 1:37:46 PM

Tally

Has, I've seen plenty of bleached coral; for which I blame the greens; and their activism that has locked up our most promising hydrocarbon prospects, which then forces us to import as much as 91% of our oil, which in common use produces 4 times as much carbon, than that which lays beneath the reef! Repeat, 4 times as much carbon!

And if some long standing expert prognostications are even half proven, we could be sitting 1+trillion barrels of sweet light crude, and perhaps significantly more NG.

And in common use wherever it replaces heavy sulfur laden crude, from the wellhead to the harvester; our own sweet light crude; which only needs a little chill filtering; produces four time less total Co2! And NG, 40% less again!

Now you'd think if Co2 was causing global warming or played a part in coral bleaching, the real greens would be pleading with the authorities, to use that in preference to that which we import; and at a cost of around 21 billions per. And again pleading that we replace our coal fired power stations with nuclear ones!

21 billion, if kept in our own economy, would do at least 100 billion dollars worth of extra economic work/wealth and job creation right here; and in so doing, generate around an extra 30 billions worth of total tax revenue!; a win/win all round?

Given their history, I believe these nuts and cranks/green activists, just want to end development, and or create a world where a chosen few live in the trees and survive on natures benevolence!

There's nothing wrong with spending a few hours in a dream castles in the clouds, always providing one doesn't take up permanent residence!
Rhrosty.

Rhosty, is there anything you don't blame the greens for?

CO2 is causing global warming which plays a significant part in coral bleaching. But some things just aren't worth the risk. An oil spill on the Great Barrier Reef would be so catastrophic that allowing oil rigs there would be an even greater threat to GBR marine life. And developing the oilfield would ultimately result in more oil being used, but whether it would result in the abandonment of inefficient overseas oilfields is far less certain.

Greens do (nearly) all want to replace our coal fired power stations with something less polluting, but nuclear isn't the only alternative. There's a lot to be said for nuclear power, but its economic benefits over renewables are weak and diminishing. What greens are united on is that cutting safety standards to make nuclear power cheaper is unacceptable, and proving nuclear radiation is less dangerous than originally thought won't change that.

With competent economic management, the jobs and tax revenue would be there wherever our oil comes from, but our dollar would be higher if we produced it ourselves.

Afternoon spindoc,

As I'm a Christian I've become rather desensitised to being on the receiving end of faith based denigration. But I still notice the double standards of those who put blind faith in the ability to significantly raise atmospheric CO2 levels without significantly affecting the climate. That's a view that relies on cherry picked research results, yet you seem to think it's the majority of scientists who work on this, and all those who think the scientists' conclusions are more accurate than those of the Murdoch press, who are stuck in self referential networks and avoiding critical thinking!

"Patrick Moore has somehow fallen from the grace of the warmers and must therefore be closed down, abused and accused?"
CERTAINLY NOT! But Patrick Moore has used his exaggerated environmentalist credentials to advance the view that ocean acidification's not a problem based on arguments that are demonstrably wrong.

Government hostility to renewable energy has harmed investment in it, but investments in fossil fuels have also collapsed in value over the past year.

Is there anything that being a former railway engineer who wrote a romance novel makes someone unqualified for? I never denigrated Patrick Moore based on his background; Any denigration was based on what he said, and did not occur until AFTER I'd pointed out the flaws in his argument.

Your view that the science has no merit because leaders can't agree what to do about it is incredibly naïve. and shows a tremendous overestimation of politicians! A lack of economic understanding is also a great problem. And with hindsight it's clear that Europe would've been much better off adopting a Gillard style carbon tax instead of their badly designed ETS.