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Laffing all the way with voodoo economics : Comments

By David Hetherington, published 8/4/2015

Laffer is most famous for his eponymous curve, which purports to show that cutting taxes on the rich raises extra tax revenue.

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To Aiden.

I took exception to you claiming that my opinions are prejudice while yours are the result of critical thinking. Everybody prejudges just like everybody stereotypes. I can't wait to catch you doing it yourself and I will catch you, sooner or later. Because everybody does it to think, and I have caught every single one of the people who claim that stereotyping is wrong doing it themselves.

If you oppose my premise that most poor people are poor because they have low intelligence and a genetic predisposition to violence and compulsive behaviour, then you must believe the opposite. Where is your proof that everybody on planet Earth is equal in every way in respects to intelligence, physical ability and personality?

Most people who are at the bottom of society are as dumb as dogshiit and I should know, I once lived in a Housing Commission complex of 84 flats and my neighbours had to be seen to be believed. Ever met a 29 year old grandmother? I have. My own cousins daughter has had 4 kids to her husband and 2 to her husbands son, who had a different mother. Her husband was almost voted "unmarried father of the year" because he has illegitimate kids everywhere.

Disadvantaged people with brains are usually upwardly mobile and they can easily attain the status of working class. But the dumb ones will never rise above their status because they are too lazy to work, too dumb to educate themselves, and too crafty to work when the government will give them the dole. There are presently 850,000 Disability Support Pensioners which is more wounded than we had in WW1 and WW 2 combined. But you can't smell a rat because your humanitarian beliefs that poor people are just lacking opportunity, and all we need to do is keep screwing "the rich" (read ordinary taxpayers) and keep shovelling money into our welfare black hole and everything will eventually be hunky dory.

But it neve happens, Aiden. One reason is because we insist on importing dumb people and poverty.
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 12 April 2015 4:11:00 PM
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Here is something for you to chew on, Aiden

The Daily Telegraph 10/11/14

THIRTY eight members of the same Western Sydney family fraudulently claimed more than $2 million in Disability Support Pension and other welfare payments.

One person claiming income support paid $300,000 off a mortgage in just over two years, while another claimed support despite earning an undeclared income from owning three properties. The web of family fraudsters was uncovered following a tip a dodgy Western Sydney businessman had failed to declare his income.

Department of Human Services investigators found a network of fake claims from the businessman and 37 of his family members and cut welfare payments to 19 people and referred five to the Director of Public Prosecutions. “From a single piece of information, the ¬department’s specialist fraud team uncovered a web of people dishonestly claiming payments,” Human Services Minister Senator Marise Payne said.

One claimant paid almost $1 million into a bank account over 11 years without ever ¬declaring any income.

Then there is this one from the USA. I sure that you think this guy is a genius who persecuted and should immediately immigrate to Australia.

Man fathers 21 children by 11 different women... and he's only 29
A man aged 29 has fathered 21 children with 11 different women, it emerged yesterday.

Desmond Hatchett's brood came to light after authorities in Tennessee in the U.S. took him to court for non-payment of child support. He has apparently set a U.S. record but said: 'It just happened.' Hatchett, who earns a minimal wage, told TV reporters he knows the names and ages of all his offspring. Their ages range from newborn to 11 years old.

Authorities in Knoxville said they plan to take half of his monthly salary to pay for the youngsters but officials said that would work out to just over $2 a week for each. His lawyer Keith Pope said: 'The children can't all be supported by Desmond, so the state of Tennessee has had to step in.'

Many Knoxville residents called for him to be castrated
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 12 April 2015 4:15:36 PM
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LEGO, the situation you took exception to turned out to be the truth. You've admitted your opinions were the result of prejudice, whereas you appear to have accepted my explanation as to why mine (so far) were not. I welcome your eagerness to find an exception.

It is a logical fallacy that someone opposing a premise must believe the opposite. I'm actually quite surprised to discover you didn't know that, but it explains an awful lot!

I do not recall meeting a 29 year old grandmother, and I don't see their existence as evidence of moral decline; quite the reverse, for it shows that pregnant teenagers are resisting the temptation to get abortions. But I have to admit your family's really screwed up!

Many people can get work easily. Others can't. And when there's not enough work available in the area, those who can't are disproportionately affected whether their intelligence is high or low.

Australia's population in the early 20th century was low, so it's hardly surprising that those Ausssies wounded in the world wars number fewer than those currently on disability pensions. And I don't think it's more welfare spending that's the main thing needed to fix the lack of opportunity. Welfare spending has a small part to pay but often increased infrastructure and education spending are just as effective and ultimately self funding.
Posted by Aidan, Sunday, 12 April 2015 8:15:53 PM
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What I said, Aiden, was that everybody prejudges. None of us walk around in a state of objectivity, because it takes too long to make everyday decisions based entirely upon objective reasoning. Our everyday judgements, and how we react to certain situations, are a result of our prior experiences, our cultural conditioning, and our degree of emotional maturity.

When somebody opposes a premise, then deducing that they believe in the opposite, is a reasonable assumption. Especially when dealing with people with your particular mindset. One of the most serious social problems we have today, is the existence and the growing influence of educated young people who are short on life experiences and long on the presumption that they are smarter and more morally upright than everybody else in society. (despite their high ingestion rate of controlled substances)

Their class is not necessarily defined by wealth or status, but it is most definitely defined by their attitudes. And if you sprout the nonsense that all we need to do to solve our social problems is to keep raising taxes and spend them on education and "infrastructure", then that is one of the defining opinions of this caste. Other stereotypical attitudes which define them include opposition to the death penalty, a sneering contempt for nationalism, opposition to racism, advocacy of free expression, and the three "R"s (Republic, Refugees, and Reconciliation.)

Two thirds of the NT education budget is spent "educating" aboriginal children for a 90% failure rate in NAPLAN exams. That fact should have stimulated some neuronal activity in your impervious to reality mind in regards to any prejudice you may have that all people and races have equal intelligence. And it should have caused some objective critical thinking concerning your subjective pre judgement that all we need to do is spend more money on educating those who are falling behind, and soon poverty will end and the disadvantaged class will largely cease to exist.

That won't happen Aiden, because we insist on importing third world dumb people, and dumb people breed faster than smart people.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 13 April 2015 6:51:25 AM
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LEGO, everybody may prejudge but that doesn't make it right. When someone identifies your prejudice, the sensible response is not to take exception but instead to check whether they are right, then correct your errors if they are, and better explain your position if they're not.

When somebody opposes a premise, then deducing that they believe in the opposite, is an unreasonable and assumption, especially when they've informed you your previous assumptions about their beliefs have been wrong. And your statement that I must believe the opposite was idiotic. Seriously. Did you honestly think that you know more about what I believe than I do?

I share some attributes of the "class" you feel so threatened by. Others I don't share at all. And when you say "everybody else in society" I strongly suspect you're extrapolating that from their attitude to you.

While the idea that I think all people and all races are of equal intelligence is something you're desperately trying to cling to because you disbelieve information that contradicts your prejudice, the fact remains that differences in intelligence between racial groups are small compared to differences within racial groups. And objective critical thinking involves looking beyond the statistics to the reasons behind them. I couldn't find the NAPLAN figures you were referring to, but when I looked I discovered that many remote Aboriginal communities are inherently disadvantaged in the NAPLAN tests, especially in the early years, because English is not their first language and many are not fluent in English when they take the test. So a lower result than elsewhere may not be an indication of failure (there may still be failure, but more information is needed).

And can you stop all this crap about my assuming "all we need to do is..."? If you based your responses on my actual words rather than your dumb prejudice, you'd see that though I say some of these things are worth doing, I never claim we don't need to do anything else.
Posted by Aidan, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 2:33:19 AM
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