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Changing marriage is not inevitable : Comments

By Lyle Shelton, published 2/4/2015

Suddenly high profile gays such as Dolce and Gabbana are speaking up for children’s rights to be raised by their mother and father.

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Rhrosty: “And given one cannot choose their sexuality, which is created in the womb and by nature; along with left or right hand dominance!”

Where is the evidence to suggest this? This is always presented as a fact but I am interested in finding out where exactly such an assertion comes from. In underpins our laws in regard to discrimination against homosexual people but I don’t quite see why.

Surely there should be some strong proof of such a fact to be able to base laws on it. Perhaps it is just a view that has not been critically analysed but something that is asserted with aggression and everyone becomes too afraid to challenge it.
Posted by phanto, Sunday, 5 April 2015 10:45:03 AM
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Yes Phanto, left handedness definitely is created in the womb with some help from genetics!

As for sexuality, there's abundant evidence of it like left handedness, as a natural aberration; and throughout the animal kingdom, for those prepared to just look!

Which given your endless denials, just doesn't include you!?

What's your problem, if you looked and saw for yourself you'd be no longer able to engage in your unique form of unjustifiable gay bashing?

Or have to admit you were wrong to reject and isolate a family member?

Look, your sexuality is controlled by four sex centres in the primitive brain, which is where are our instinctive urges and reactions, flight or fight, sexual preferences are created.

No heterosexual I know has ever admitted to choosing to be a heterosexual, nor being able to somehow choose a different outcome, as something done as an act of free will!

Yet confer on others the ability to choose to do just that!

There are four sex centres in the primitive brain, two for the girls and two for the guys, and even as we have a plastic brain and of two halves, that lost or damaged through injury and or accident, the spare half can take over and replace the lost facilities!

We all start our life as humans as a female fetus in the womb! And males require a flood of testosterone from the mother to be able to become fully formed males!

And clearly that Hormonal-flood can be interfered with by the circumstances of the Mum.

Health, anxiety and anger, may sometimes interfere with that flood, which may not complete or indeed, be appropriate, so we get masculine females and effeminate men, and in some cases, with all four firing, a bit of both and a pedophile?

And given that is so, no living being chooses his or her sexuality, and or, seemingly normal sexual responses!

However, you can always spend ten of fifteen years learning medicine, to arrive at your own INFORMED conclusions!

And wouldn't that make a pleasant change from medieval ignorance!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Sunday, 5 April 2015 12:07:23 PM
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Rhrosty, "no living being chooses his or her sexuality, and or, seemingly normal sexual responses!"

The candid flip-flops of celebrities would say otherwise, that there is choice and that is likely to be affected by a rocky path through adolescence.

Stories like this are common,

How I went from committed lesbian to a happily married mother of four

As Chris Huhne leaves his wife for a mistress who was once in a gay partnership, JACKIE CLUNE talks candidly about her own emotional journey

Looking at my four children racing around the garden with their father, it seems almost impossible to believe that only a few years ago I never imagined having a family.

Or rather, when I did stop to think of myself as becoming a mother, I imagined the only way I'd do so would be through an anonymous sperm donor.

Today, with five-year-old triplets, Thady, Frank and Orla, and a seven-year-old daughter, Saoirse, a husband and a home in a leafy London suburb, I could be viewed as the archehtypal wife and mother, even if - as a stand-up comedian and actress - I don't have a conventional career.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1289652/How-I-went-committed-lesbian-happily-married-mother-four.html

There always were people who would jump anything. Their selfishness and irresponsibility usually extends to risky sex and they present a danger to the community.

While not all STD risks can be removed for young women who intend having children, it should be an offence where any intending sex partner does not disclose in advance if s/he has participated in bisexual sex of any description. It is a serious offence to carelessly endanger another person's life. That the offender may not even be concerned to seek regular medical checks only adds to the offence.

Pre-marriage health checks should be strongly encouraged, with a view to obligatory blood tests at a future date. If religions don't like that, tough.

Same sex unions are not marriage by definition, however another term can be used for the contract.
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 5 April 2015 1:55:11 PM
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Rhrosty, haven't read such a load of rubbish in a long time.

"We all start our life as humans as a female fetus in the womb!".

Us humans start life as a zygote formed from sperm and egg. It is sperm which is the variable factor in determining the sex of the baby. If the sperm carries an X chromosome, it will combine with the egg’s X chromosome to form a female zygote. If the sperm carries a Y chromosome, it will result in a male.

So Rhrosty we don't all start life as a female fetus.

Your analogy of left handedness with sexuality is equally as stupid.
Whether a person is left or right handed manifests itself much earlier in life. And whether a person uses their right or left is neither here or there. Not so when it comes to homosexuals (not including bi-sexuals) condition. On their own there is no way they can procreate.

I'm left handed. If my left arm was amputated for some reason I could train myself to use my right arm with little psychological disturbance. From what I have come to understand homosexuals (not including bi-sexuals) can't change to being heterosexuals.

I take the same position as phanto. Where is the hard scientific evidence that a person's homosexual preference was set prenatally?
Posted by Roscop, Sunday, 5 April 2015 2:31:00 PM
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Just because heterosexual behaviour exists it does not does not automatically mean that it is natural. The same could be said of homosexual behaviour. There are a great many behaviours that humans indulge in that are not natural. Only behaviours which are in accord with nature could be deemed natural. Such behaviours will be both logical and reasonable. If you are hungry it is natural and logical to eat, if you are tired then you sleep. You are reacting in accord with what nature has designed us to do for our own good.

If you want to create your own child then the natural way is for a man and a woman to have sex. It is logical to have sex for this reason. No one has a problem with this anymore than they do with eating or sleeping. If however, nature has not created the means for same-sex couples to have sex for this reason then it is fair enough to question why they try to have sex without having the natural equipment to do so. There is no question that heterosexual sex is both reasonable and natural but homosexual behaviour must always be open to question. It seems neither natural nor reasonable. We may even ask whether or not it truly is sex.

I think this is why many homosexual people and their supporters set off in search of some scientific backing for their behaviour. Heterosexual people do not need to justify their behaviour since it is obviously what nature intends us to do. Why is there no such obvious endorsement by nature of homosexual behaviour? Why do they have to go looking for something that heterosexuals have no need to look for?

Heterosexuals do not have sex only for the purpose of procreating. They have it because it is pleasurable. Nature made it pleasurable to ensure that the species would continue. Without that pleasurable aspect we would probably die out. The pleasure is there for a reason but it does not follow that we have sex every time we feel the urge to do so.
Posted by phanto, Sunday, 5 April 2015 4:45:00 PM
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'Just because heterosexual behaviour exists it does not does not automatically mean that it is natural. The same could be said of homosexual behaviour.'

said by someone totally blind to design. In case you have not noticed, the anal passage is designed to pass waste. Putting other objects in that place defies nature and often leads to disease. Don't need to many brains to observe that.
Posted by runner, Sunday, 5 April 2015 6:53:44 PM
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