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Compact nuclear power units may blow wind away : Comments

By Mark S. Lawson, published 4/3/2015

Unsubsidised wind power can compete, on a cost-per-output basis, with the likes of coal and gas, while the other forms of green power - photovoltaics and solar thermal - trail the field by a fair margin.

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579
The reports of the type you refer to are legion. There are any number of trained analysts pumping out hopeful projections about solar and PVs, as that's what their customers want to hear. Some states (California, Denmark, South Australia) are aiming for or have attained a 30 per cent green power penetration. Denmark and SA might even be able to increase this but for the larger systems of which they are a part 10 per cent maybe. They're aiming for 25 per cent in Aus but that's being hopeful and requires the full conventional network to be in place. Legislation and subsidies will prop up these immense green enthusiasms, but if the public should lose interest in for paying for it all, the whole thing will collapse.
Posted by Curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 March 2015 9:37:03 AM
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It shows the diversity of solar not being restricted to any sort of pattern or location. If people start disconnecting houses from the grid where does that leave gigantic power generation.

It will become that expensive that it will price itself out of contention. A lot of people are going to become power sufficient and they really like the idea, of having control of your own expenses. More and more solar is being installed on hospital and industrial roof space. It makes good sense and generation is free.

It may make more sense for industry to use grid power to drive a generator + solar.
With battery banking coming onto the market later this year from Japan a whole new equation could be on the verge of happening, for household.
Posted by 579, Thursday, 5 March 2015 10:35:04 AM
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579,

Apart from being very expensive, solar is not sustainable:

http://bravenewclimate.com/2014/08/22/catch-22-of-energy-storage/
Posted by Peter Lang, Thursday, 5 March 2015 10:40:59 AM
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The 13.4 MW plant is the latest in a growing number of swimming solar projects.

Julia Pyper
December 24, 2014
Solar PV is rapidly expanding its footprint. Panels are coming to more rooftops, industrial parks, carports and even backpacks. It’s also, increasingly, being installed on top of water.

Kyocera Corporation and Century Tokyo Leasing Corporation announced this week that Kyocera TCL Solar, a joint venture between the two companies, will develop a 13.4-megawatt floating solar power plant in Japan’s Yamakura Dam reservoir near Tokyo. The plant will become the largest floating solar installation in the world.

It’s 38 °C on the Atsumi Peninsula southwest of Tokyo: a deadly heat wave has been gripping much of Japan late this summer. Inside the offices of a newly built power plant operated by the plastics company Mitsui Chemicals, the AC is blasting. Outside, 215,000 solar panels are converting the blistering sunlight into 50 megawatts of electricity for the local grid. Three 118-meter-high wind turbines erected at the site add six megawatts of generation capacity to back up the solar panels during the winter.

Chris Marshalk • a year ago
At least the Japanese are trying to be innovative. Unlike the Backwards Australian Government destroying the car industry and butchering the economy.

Solar and wind is a work in progress unlike other would be projects which have not started.
You are selling solar short of it’s potential, but as far as household solar + storage go it is on track.
Posted by 579, Thursday, 5 March 2015 12:29:09 PM
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579,

You've already been told, you can quote a virtually unlimited number of articles by enthusiasts and gullible believers in the RE dogma. What you need to do is to think for yourself. Challenge your beliefs and what you read. Do your own reality checks.

Solar power is very expensive, very high cost way to save CO2 emissions, and most important of all it is not sustainable. It does not have a high enough EROEI to provide the energy for modern society. This means it cannot provide much of the world's energy and is totally dependent on fossil fuels for its operation.

I doubt you'll understand any of this. So be it. They are the facts.
Posted by Peter Lang, Thursday, 5 March 2015 12:48:20 PM
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Peter Lang,

Solar power is not very expensive. Indeed solar PV has lower ongoing costs than any other electricity source. The claim that it does not have a high enough EROEI to provide the energy for modern society is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the significance of EROEI. And the claim that it's not sustainable is nothing more than a lie.
Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 5 March 2015 1:12:37 PM
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