Please treat women as adults. If she was pissed, she as an adult decided to. To demand that women need protecting from themselves is disgusting and demeaning, that rubbish went out with bloomers. And with the passing of bloomers has been the passing of social stigma of rape for the overwhelming majority of females.

If they are not adult as implied by a need to protect them, what's the next step, take the vote off them?

I think the answer to this issue, is to do away with the idea of guilt or innocence and trials and just convict the accused on the say so of the accuser.

Parts of this debate point back to a fundamental flaw in our legal system. All to often getting at the truth does not seem to be high on the priority list. As an outsider to the system who's only direct exposure has been through the family law system and one stint on a jury many years ago I may be misunderstanding how it works but I think the impression that truth is not a big priority in our courts is a common perception.

As Rhosty points out there are technologies that could add significantly to the tools available to get at the truth that just don't seem to be used.

There does not appear to be a visible review processes or a revisit of decisions to see what can be learned from them. None of that is about just rape cases but perceived fundamental weaknesses in our legal system.

R0bert

Rhostry,

'And in the sexual context, women are invariably the real prey and men the real hunters!'

Either you've been happily married for many years or you need to get out more.

Has it never crossed your mind that women sometimes use their sexuality to their advantage?

It was great that the article mentioned the number of women who have been charged with false reporting of rape to 'get even'. It would have been even better if the article talked about how the false accusations would have resulted in many years jail and the life long stigma of being a sex offender for the man. In short, false accusations ruin the lives of men. Just like they used to for female rape victims in the past.

It's amazing how much society has changed. In the past the responsibility was on the woman not to put herself in a position where she could be raped. Remember this was in a time when there was no sex before marriage, where people married for life and abortion was illegal. If a woman fell pregnant during a rape she would disappear to the country and return after the baby had been given up for adoption. No longer a virgin, and being a 'fallen' woman she would find it hard to find a husband and of course as women didn't work she could not really hope for a career for herself. The stigma of rape was there because by being raped she had her life ruined. That is hardly the case today.

With the winding back of legal protections against rape accusations we risk the reverse happening. If hundreds of women have been caught making false accusations, I wonder how many haven't? How many innocent men have had their lives ruined and will suffer the life long stigma of being a a convicted sex offender? So now the stigma of sex offenses has shifted to men.

Of course, for the radical feminists who agitated for these law, and for whom all men are rapists anyway, there can be no such thing as an innocent man. But let's leave that to the side for now.

I know some women in the UK have been jailed (usually only after serial false accusations) but I haven't heard of this ever happening in Australia. I guess women only lie in the UK.

The difference is that men who raped women have always been seen as outcasts while of course women who are caught making false claims almost always get a slap on the wrist. It's almost as if it's acceptable for man to serve years in prison for a woman's hurt feelings during a break up.

So I ask again, how could female rapes possibly be under reported? Where is the evidence? Why is this simply accepted?

Dane : "So I ask again, how could female rapes possibly be under reported? Where is the evidence? Why is this simply accepted?"

I have personally known six women over the past few years who were raped, but never reported the crime because they didn't think they would be believed, and they didn't want to go through a trial.

I can only surmise that other people know other women with this same scenario.
Can you prove we are all lying Dane?

No matter how much you carry on about these enlightened days of so-called equality for women, rape trials haven't really changed much at all.
Rapists are still getting away with it, and women are still judged as sluts for 'asking for it'.

We still have men like Dane who believe all women are liars, and they are all out to punish all men.

Nothing much has changed at all....