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By Chris Ashton, published 19/1/2015It should go without saying that not every Muslim is a terrorist or a murderer, but by the same token it apparently needs spelling out that globally there is only one religion in whose name unabated violence is routinely committed.
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Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 7:23:09 AM
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Jay, the great achievement of the Abassid and Seleucid Caliphates was to foster trade by instituting the world's first 'passport' system that placed an onus on those who lived within the caliphate to allow safe passage to those who were carrying a document certifying that they were officially recognised as citizens of the Caliphate.
The laws of the Caliphates were based on Quranic doctrine, but there were lots of non-Moslems who enjoyed protection. As for a tradition of raiding others territory, that goes back a lot further than Mohammed. Have a look at the Old Testament for a lengthy list of tribal fights and fluid expedient allegiances. The main message in that book is that sticking together, following the rules, having a strong leader who is able to pick his fights wisely and being willing to sacrifice your own interest for the group's (tribe's) benefit is the best way to behave if you happen to be born in the Middle East. I suggest it's much more general than that and it's been the best way to behave for tribal humans since there were humans and as a result, it's a fundamental part of human psychology that is expressed in different ways according to the local cultural overlays. Don't allow a focus on detail to obscure your view of the bigger picture, you're obviously smarter than that. Posted by Craig Minns, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 8:49:55 AM
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The non-PC on this thread are giving a very good account of themselves, perhaps more so than on any other of the many threads on this subject.
The PC brigade are being driven to ever more exotic versions of relativist rhetoric, with increasing volumes of “detail” to convince us of their superior intellect. It’s rather like revisiting the novel by Jane Austen, “Sense and Sensibility” where the main characters strive to merge sense and sensibility. The PC brigade refuses to accept that sensibility relies on data to create true perception, instead they rely on rhetoric. Garbage in, garbage out. When the fallacy of relativism fails to convince, they offer ever more of the same, seemingly in the hope that quantity will eventually replace quality. It seems that both sides of this vexatious debate will continue talking “past” each other, particularly since there is no known antidote to rhetoric. There is a possible break to this nexus as the center ground imposes its “sense” (normal ability to think or reason soundly), rather than waste energy on the PC brigade ever achieving a philosophical resolution to their “sensibility” part of the equation, of which they have so enthusiastically taken ownership. Having put their stake in the ground that Islamic terrorists have nothing to do with Islam, a position from which they can now never withdraw, the mood, perception and “sense” of the middle ground is slowly shifting away from the PC schizophrenia. Every atrocity committed by these so called non-Islamic butchers will now be worn outright by the PC brigade, it will continue to erode the validity of their “chattering”. There will be a tipping point for the PC brigade, quite when that might be I’m not sure but I am convinced it is inevitable. The PC brigades’ focus on defending “sensibility” rather than accepting “sense”, contains the seeds of their own destruction. No surprise that they are defending so hard and offering more of what got them into trouble in the first place, rhetoric. Perhaps their intellectualized version of “Sense and Sensibility” should be re-titled just for them Gullible and Gullibility Posted by spindoc, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 10:26:36 AM
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Chris Ashton is, in my view, right to point out Islam is a basis for all these terrorist attacks and right to point out attacks on abortion clinics or Buddhist bombings are both red-herrings & tu quoque fallacies.
But a key issue is also the religious doctrine of an afterlife and rewards therein. Posted by McReal, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 10:56:33 AM
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Spindoc,
The centre, where I stand simply rejects the magical world views of the left and the right. It's all boils down to beliefs vs evidence, beliefs aren't facts and facts can't exist without evidence, no evidence means no facts. The Progressives have been humiliated by the results of multiculturalism, the Conservatives fare no better and it's only PC censorship and repression of their views which has limited the amount of manure clinging to them at present, given the chance they would have made just as big a mess. Here's some interesting articles Spindoc: Liberal Hegemony by Michael Parish http://alternative-right.blogspot.com/2015/01/liberal-hegemony.html The Coming Annihilation of European Progressivism http://therightstuff.biz/2015/01/11/the-coming-annihilation-of-european-progressivism/ http://therightstuff.biz/2015/01/11/the-coming-annihilation-of-european-progressivism/ What people like Steele will never admit is that multiculturalism works against progress at every level, mass immigration to the West of violent,low IQ people from Asia and Africa has stunted progress in our countries and has now tipped them into decline. Social cohesion no longer exists here and you can't have progress without people who are at a minimum willing to work together. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 11:27:16 AM
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Dear Loudmouth;
You wrote; “Kony is evil, Boko Haram is evil: it's a tie” But then the rest of your post only makes repeated references to 'Islamic terrorism'. I think it would be a huge step forward if you were prepared to acknowledge that “The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), also known as the Lord's Resistance Movement, is a militant movement which is "Christianist," extremist Christian” and that “It is listed as a terrorist group by the United States.” (Wikepedia) thus making it a Christianist Terrorist Organisation. The Lord's Resistance Army has also kidnapped large groups of school girls, killed tens of thousands and displaced well over a million people, all in numbers far out weighing those of Boko Haram. The proposition on this thread which you seem to support is that the terrorism displayed by the likes of Boko Haram can be attributed to Islam thus Islam is the 'most violent' of the major religions. My point is that you have not yet made that case but you are welcome to furnish us with more evidence if you have it. Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 12:11:38 PM
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It's a pack of lies,there's never been any such thing as a "death camp" and there never will be and "rape as a weapon of war" is a myth.
The "Bosnian Genocide" is pure fiction and the rape camps are nothing but a Liberal sexual fantasy:
http://de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=167
Ditto Kosovo:
http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/slies.htm
You're a bizarre creature Steele, you're Anti American/ Anti Western yet you swallow the U.S State department and British foreign Office propaganda, hook line and sinker.
NATO and the U.N serve the Atlantic powers, of course their evidence is fabricated, their findings biased and their courts illegitimate.
The Foca show trials prosecuted three men and called 16 witnesses, all gave testimony from behind a screen and employed voice scramblers, does that sound fair to you?