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Gary John's pragmatism belies more sinister ideologies : Comments

By Clara Geoghegan, published 2/1/2015

The idea seems to be that children are no longer a social good and to be supported by the community, but a private indulgence for those who can 'afford' them.

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'five million children die every year from malnutrition and lack of clean water but it does not stop the galloping African birth rate. '

also Robert does not stop the gross obesity in the Western culture where people eat themselves sick and then dump tonnes of perfectly good food in the sea.
Posted by runner, Friday, 2 January 2015 4:34:31 PM
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Robert LePage, I suggest you watch Don't Panic: The Truth About Population
http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/368800835692/Don'tPanic:TheTruthAboutPopulation
(warning: the link will expire in a couple of days)

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Big Nana,
<<As for the suggestion that we provide more support for these children, well, that could be done financially, at even more expense to taxpayers,but who will provide the physical and emotional support these kids desperately need? Are we to supply live in nannies for these kids? Round the clock counsellors?>>
Have you ever seen the TV show Supernanny? That's the kind of thing that's needed: someone to live with them for a short while to train the parents how to raise kids. AIUI this is already done in a few cases, but it needs to be done in many more.
Posted by Aidan, Friday, 2 January 2015 8:12:15 PM
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@ Jay. I wasn't specifically just referring to indigenous kids. It's not a racial issue, it's an extreme poverty, multigenerational, dysfunctional cycle that is being enabled by welfare. The only way to break the cycle is reduce the number of children these dysfunctional homes produce so that the parents can focus their limited resources on fewer offspring. Most women could cope with one or two children, with a little support, even from a background of poverty. Increase that to five, six, seven or more children and the task becomes impossible, even for the most motivated parent on welfare. And that's leaving out the danger to the children with every new stepfather.
As a nation we cannot afford to keep supporting personal lifestyle choices, of which parenthood is one, especially with the increased aging population we are needing to support now.
Posted by Big Nana, Friday, 2 January 2015 8:54:20 PM
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Having just browsed this and the ‘No contraception, no dole’ thread, this whole issue appears to present a perfect storm of right-wing obsession:

1. Control of women’s bodies – and, hence, their lives
2. An abiding and deep-rooted resentment of the welfare system by those who can most afford to fund it
3. Upper-class fear of retribution by the exploited, unwashed masses.

This so-called debate about a supposedly 'serious social concern' is really just another episode in the ongoing propaganda war against those who are not white, male, able-bodied, rich and privileged. If such an unwieldy and expensive welfare-contraceptive system were ever implemented, it's not going to stop the supposed scum of female humanity from reproducing itself, but it might serve to enhance an already overblown sense of self-righteousness among the privileged.
Posted by Killarney, Friday, 2 January 2015 10:34:24 PM
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Hahahaha Killarny, you couldn't have missed by more had you tried. I'm an old female pensioner with 28 aboriginal descendants. The only demographic I fit is that I'm white but I've been living with blacks in remote areas so long I don't think my colour counts any more. Epic fail! Hahaha
Posted by Big Nana, Saturday, 3 January 2015 2:28:08 AM
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Killarney,
Ha! Typical Feminist paranoia! Control over women's bodies and reproduction is an obsession of the Left and it's really only non White,socialist countries like China, India and Vietnam who forcibly sterilise healthy women or do it without their knowledge.
There are "useless mouths" in every society, there are lives not worth living and people not worthy of state support, in the Third world their lives are usually mercifully short, in the developed world such people are kept alive purely for political reasons.
Killarney six months of crystal meth use can destroy a person's mind and body and render them a "useless mouth" even if they kick the habit, should a person whose brain and internal organs are so damaged be allowed to have children? How do you stop them having kids they can't and won't care for?
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 3 January 2015 6:27:38 AM
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