Hi Bazz

If there's no fuel available there's no Australian economy to defend - so we have already lost.

Which is why there is a Plan C = 4 x Virginia SSNs and hope Defence Minister Johnston's SEA 1000 Purchase Team is paying attention.

With a defeated Australia our 4 SSNs could intergrate into the US Navy striking back to free Oz from the Chinese Imperial blockade.

Here is the instrument http://youtu.be/WoL1sbqqmEc

Regards

Pete

Of course, it might be difficult to get the greens to give the
government permission to buy nuclear submarines.

Don't worry Bazz, Tony knows there is no point having refinery capacity, while we have a fifth column of Muslim Jihadists in the country. They would simply flood it with suicide bombers at the start of any hostilities.

I have it on good authority he is working on a cunning plan to have the Greens & the Jihadists take each other out, solving most of our problems simultaneously.

Without the Muslim vote to pander to, trying to buy a few votes, Labor will return to loyalty to Oz, [will this post is a joke after all] & start voting intelligently in the senate, bring the budget under control.

It is all quite simple really, & about as likely as our choice of sub, & sub supplier being a rational decision.

Oh, & sorry, but this is the silly season after all.

But Hasbeen

Is not Islam the religion of peace?

That is the constant soma* message we are meant to believe in following each new outrage.

For that matter aren't other religions (be they Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Communist and Christian) frequently excuses for violence?

* Soma is the name of a fictional drug in Aldous Huxley's 1932 novel, Brave New World. In the novel the drug produces both intoxicating and psychoactive properties and is used in celebratory rituals.

Well I think the difference is that Christianity has a guilty conscience
about its history, but not so Islam, it insists that its conquests and
killing was ordered by Allah and those invasions mean the land is always moslem land.

Anyway, submarines are only one part of the navy.
What about the surface ships ?
Australia may turn out to be the first country that can front up
only an army. Even that army would be very limited and would have to
revert to historic town defense techniques.
Armies on bicycles and guerrilla techniques ?

I think the above sounds really way out, but without major change in
government policies how do we stop my defense outline being real ?

Hi Bazz

Our armed forces (destroyers soon, frigates, new Landing Helicopter Docks, Super Hornets, older Hornets, F-35s on the way, 1,000s of armoured vehicles) are fairly large for our immediate region.

As long as an enemy cooperates by only sending smallish conventional forces against us we can handle it.

But one Chinese nuclear propelled submarine with nuclear cruise missiles could hold Sydney, Newcastle, etc to ransom because we have no nuclear propelled subs to handle it
- and the Americans, with THEIR nuclear subs, may be too busy defending themselves.

But terrorism within Australia is a more pressing menace requiring internal armed forces and massive surveillance.