Joannie:

My personal circumstances are irrelevant. My arguments need to be judged on their merits.

“What do we as a society value - golf - or people?” A scientist may say that for him to work at his peak he needs to spend a certain amount of time on the golf course. It may be the difference between him finding a cure for cancer or not. His golf could contribute to saving the lives of millions of people.

“But more than values - children become doctors, teachers, managers, CEOs - whatever - children invent new futures - a lot more than can be said for golf (or whatever other hobby you might chose).”

Children also become terrorists, dictators, murders, thieves etc. so that argument cannot be valid.

And the tribalists go on,nappy-slinging and bra-waving.

Joanne,

'Seems to be some bitterness out there.'

Do you mean like when someone becomes the Prime Minister of the country, the highest elected office in the land, and leader of the government but then blames 'misogynists' for her failures?

There is no one more bitter than a left wing feminist.

"At least men of the Right are more honest about their entrenched belief in the innate superiority of the male and that women were put on this earth to be men's unpaid servants, cooks, nannies and playthings" says Killarney.

But of course Killarney, & we know we are right, as we have so many ladies, present company included, confirming our belief, daily.

Rhrosty

‘I would have thought a more conciliatory, less attack dog attitude, would have advanced the cause of women…’

Sigh! Men don’t make passes at gals who are tough-asses.

Or in other words: ‘Be nice, neat, polite, look pretty and shut up, and then … maybe … we big benevolent men might think about throwing you girls a few crumbs of from the equality table.’

Jay

‘traditionalists put women on pedestals and seem to view them as morally superior to men’

Which is the most insidious and controlling form of sexism that men can possibly inflict on women.

‘… the guys who work twelve hours a day so that their wife can play tennis, socialise with her friends and shop to her heart's content, I meet them all the time.’

There have been gold digger femme fatales and spoilt, pampered women for as long as there has been a patriarchy. The big question is: Why do men keep marrying them? And the big answer is: Because they want a trophy wife to make them look sexy and successful.

Hasbeen

Your latest comment to me firmly endorses exactly what I said about right-wing men. Right, Mr Honesty?

Sigh...