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Man for man: how we can do more to help ourselves : Comments

By Nicholas Goodwin, published 19/11/2014

It is the capacity for intimate relationships that predicted flourishing in all aspects of men's lives.

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How exactly is male suicide a 'made up issue', Hasbeen? Seems like a pretty real, pretty serious issue to me.

Especially if it's your dad, brother, uncle, mate or lover that's suicided.

You can blame a stack of stuff on humanities studies. High rates of suicide in men isn't one of them.
Posted by Pete in Brisbane, Thursday, 20 November 2014 8:48:06 AM
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Yes Pete, I agree that the young male, mostly country based, suicide statistics are a tragedy. The sooner we have more mental health facilities and staff to help our country folk as well as city people, the better.

Hasbeen is a relic from the good ol' days when men were men, and anyone with a mental health issue were considered weak., so don't look to him for any manly care.

The author's assertions that ...."45% of child abuse perpetrators are men." only serves to stir the gender wars re violence even further.

Of course child abuse comes in several forms, but it is well known that men are by far the most likely to inflict sexual abuse on children, so why not just say that if we are looking at statistics?
Maybe the university studies are not inundated with rabid feminists, as is often put out there by rabid mens groups, but it is the opposite that is true?
Posted by Suseonline, Thursday, 20 November 2014 6:34:15 PM
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It's nice to see something positive about men being written.

Killarney,

Neglect is often worse than abuse. Most child deaths are caused by their mothers. Neglect causes real, life-long damage due to physical and emotional damage.

There are severe cases of abuse but there are also many trivial ones. I'm thinking of cases like the swimmer who ruined the career of her elite coach because he apparently 'touched her thigh' in a massage. These sort of trivial claims ruin lives but also count in the 'abuse' statistics.

We also know there are real incentives during relationship break-ups for women to claim their ex-partner abused their kids.

The fact is there is an entire abuse industry out there which distorts the severity and number of abuse claims.
Posted by dane, Thursday, 20 November 2014 7:42:07 PM
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It's a little sad to watch the way tribal loyalties establish the cognitive biases that define and constrain responses (and limit the ability of otherwise intelligent people to process ideas).

To paraphrase a well known aphorism: "It's hard to soar like an eagle if you think like a turkey".
Posted by Craig Minns, Thursday, 20 November 2014 8:37:52 PM
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Dane you must have ESP do you, to know all those child abuse claims are false?
You must also think very poorly of the justice system that must charge these child abusers after considering the evidence?
Or are the justice system staff all feminists as well?

No one is saying that women do not abuse children in the form of physical or emotional neglect, and rarely, sexual abuse, because of course they do.

Why do you find it so hard to admit that men are the predominant child sexual abusers?
The mental health system is full of patients who were sexually abused as children by male 'friends' or relatives...both male and female patients.
Maybe they are all lying, and just enjoy being in the awful mental health system?

. Do you believe men when they say they were sexually abused as children by male paedophiles?

You are so angry at women in general, I doubt you would believe much at all....
Posted by Suseonline, Friday, 21 November 2014 1:07:38 AM
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Suse,

'You must also think very poorly of the justice system that must charge these child abusers after considering the evidence?'

Who could not think poorly of our 'justice' system? When it comes to abuse all rights have been stripped away and the accused (nearly always male) must basically prove themselves innocent.

There is a whole victim industry out there that has worked assiduously to disempower men by portraying them all as violent rapists. They have been hugely successful. Men are now so marginalized they can be routinely discriminated against. For example, men in planes being asked to move if sat next to a child or just last week a theme park in the UK refused entry to a single man because he....was a man.

'Dane you must have ESP do you, to know all those child abuse claims are false?'

The Family court is so secretive that requiring ESP is not actually far fetched. What isn't far fetched is that false abuse claims are routinely made and that fathers rarely get custody of their children.

The problem is that sex abuse numbers are exaggerated while the damage that women do is routinely underplayed. Women who make false abuse allegations do incredible harm. They attempt to destroy their ex with the stigma attached to the worst possible crime and deny their children their right to a father all because they want to make their ex suffer. So here, destroying a man's life counts for nothing and is actually counted in statistics as 'abuse' which can then in turn be used to further bludgeon men with.

And you ask if I think poorly of the justice system?

So feminists have been working to achieve this goal of complete domination over men for over 40 years now and when they finally achieve it you ask if I should blame feminists.
Posted by dane, Friday, 21 November 2014 3:40:50 AM
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