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Moral failures and market failures: why we should abandon intercountry adoption and support local foster care : Comments

By Vittorio Cintio, published 12/11/2014

We know from past history that adoption flourishes when governments deny the resources that families and communities need to look after their own children.

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Further, let's stop all IVF from anonymous donors and make it illegal for the details of a biological,parent to be removed from a birth certificate. Make it mandatory that all IVF babies are given information about their biological parents.
If family and culture are of such importance then we should not be creating babies who have no knowledge of either.
Posted by Big Nana, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 5:07:05 PM
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Only from single mothers who got there by choice, or carelessness Yvonne, but otherwise I tend to agree with you.

Not that many men would be in the situation, as the women would not be supporting kids, without the taxpayer paying most bills, & there would be few intentional single parents.

Agree about a child account thing for kids after a relationship breakdown, if we know who made the kid, they should have to support the kid, but I think 18 years old would be fair.

Compulsory paternity testing would be required with that too of course. The mother should have to pay the same amount into the account, as the father should have the same right to child rearing.

Yes win win win, as the kids from accidents would then be likely to be raised in loving adoptive families, as they always were before this crazy welfare state took over all responsibility for all incompetents.

Even more win, childless people would not have to go off overseas to become adoptive parents.

Yep those bleeding heart people got us into a hell of a mess with all their welfare for so many who just want to bludge.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 5:53:27 PM
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I remember video of Romania orphanages, not long after they applied for ECU membership, and therefore had open up to international scrutiny!
And in their state run orphanages, were kids left for days, in the beds they were virtual captives in; laying in a pool of their own urine mixed liberally with their feces.
They were routinely dehydrated, to lesson the load on the laundry.
One meal a day was luxury, and they were regularly beaten, with most responding by more or less permanently assuming the fetal position!
The only hope any of these kids have ever, be they from there or countries with worse records, is foreign adoption! No ifs buts or maybes!
And if that means losing their mother tongue and so called culture, so be it; but particularly when that culture tolerates examples of extreme child abuse or neglect!
And how dare they respond as young adults, by routinely critiquing adoptive parents, because they seemingly lost both mother tongue and or culture?
As always, the intending adoptive parents ask no assistance from anyone else!
And there are examples too numerous to mention where those parents have shelled out for their adoptees; to return to their homelands, when old enough; and contact with their birth parents and culture.
And great for the well heeled!
However this is not always possible, as many intending adoptive parents have used all their resources just getting their kids out and raised in a loving child friendly environment!
Yes to mandatory paternity testing, and Dad's wages or income/assets, garnisheed for mandatory child support.
Most would quickly realize a couple of critical condoms would be vastly cheaper; or even more so, if their so-called needs were attended by lady Palmer and her five daughters!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 13 November 2014 7:14:40 AM
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It seems unbelievable now that anyone could ever have thought that it was morally acceptable to allow anonymous donations of sperm and eggs to create children. Those children are now speaking up and so there are no excuses any more. Every child has a moral right to know about his or her genetic heritage, whether the conception took place naturally or via IVF or surrogacy. For too long the focus has been on what adults want, with scant regard for the outcomes for the children being created. We must learn from the mistakes of the past and do better in future.
Posted by Louisa, Thursday, 13 November 2014 8:51:15 AM
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Hasbeen:'Only from single mothers who got there by choice, or carelessness Yvonne'. Huh?!

No. You did not get my point. Take away the responsibility from the human who has the womb for the begetting of children. In.All.Circumstances.

So, it is only ever the human depositing sperm who is deemed to have made the choice to deposit said sperm in potential fertile soil.

Men like you, and the Runners of this world, are constantly on about 'careless' and irresponsible women. So, I'm humoring your perception of wanton women wanting baabies!, or are just jezebels luring innocent man-boys to do evil things. Go that one step further and decide it's time for the menz to take charge of all that baby-making business. Therefore, every child born unwanted is the fault of a careless, selfish man spreading his seed without any thought of the consequences.
Posted by yvonne, Friday, 14 November 2014 2:43:11 PM
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Well I certainly get it now Yvonne. We have a man hating troll, interested only in punishing men for some perceived injustice. No wonder we have so much difficulty in intelligently solving problems.

Did he wake up to you & run away?
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 14 November 2014 3:38:06 PM
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