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IPCC calculations show global warming won’t be harmful if it resumes : Comments

By Alan Moran, published 9/10/2014

October 1 marked an important anniversary: 18 years during which the earth average temperature has remained unchanged.

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Alan Moran,

Great article, as always. I greatly appreciate your contributions. I suspect you have read the new paper by Canadian economist Ross McKitrick: "Climate policy implicatiopns of a hiatus in global warming"
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/publications/climate-policy-implications-of-the-hiatus-in-global-warming.pdf

It’s great that we are beginning to get some expertise from outside the group-think that prevails among the climate orthodoxy, don’t you think?
Posted by Peter Lang, Thursday, 9 October 2014 8:29:51 AM
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Thank you Alan for that article which puts things in perspective.

This gets to the nub of what I have always found so unsatisfactory about the whole global warming meme.

When it all boils down to it, what this thing is all about, is the supposed need for governments to fine-tune the world's economy to the tune of about 2.5 percent.

That's it. That's ultimately what all that irritating boffin-blather over temperature statistics has been about.

*AS IF* the examination of temperature statistics - any more than of birds's gizzards - were capable of giving that conclusion!

As if the very concept of an "average" global temperature was meaningful in the first place. As if their pretension to know and to forecast losses in terms of "global GDP" were just to be swallowed whole. As if their privileged pronouncements about the political distribution of losses did not contain problematic assumptions greater than the original supposed problem. As if we were all to just blandly accept without question the knowledge, the competence, and the goodness of these geniuses to forcibly re-order the world according to their own imagination, handing out trillions in confiscated wealth here, and industrial-scale grievous losses to life, livelihood and liberty there.

The always unspoken underlying assumption is that government somehow has the intrinsic competence to solve the original economic problem - to allocate scarce resources to their most urgent and important ends. Of course if this assumption were correct, we wouldn't be justified in just a 2.5% adjustment, but a 100% abolition of private property in favour of coercive central planning.

Just to state their mind-bogglingly stupid assumption is to see the impossibly yawning gulf between the warmists and their ends.

Now having failed in theory, the warmists policies are going to fail in practice - leaving behind only a stubborn wrack of politically-imposed vested interests in corrupt ineffectuality: the state-protected profits of the curly-light-bulb makers, times a billion.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Thursday, 9 October 2014 9:18:42 AM
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Another day another Global warming denials article on OLO.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Thursday, 9 October 2014 9:32:55 AM
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When all is said and done, the criminal expropriation of all the massive waste and loss – all the junkets, all the departments, all the destruction of productive activity - that went into the whole global warming scare, will have gone unpunished. They will have gotten away with it scot free.

Not only that, many government departments will have permanently expanded on the back of it. The whole episode represents a significant further encroachment of the vampire economy against the productive economy.

The global warming scare now needs to be recognised as the biggest fraud in the history of the world. The mediaeval selling of indulgence pales into insignificance by comparison.

The moral of the story is, you can never give power to government and say “Limit yourself”. It’s never going to work. There is always be a tendency for those with power to use it on whatever pretext, and that means exploiting the weaker and enriching themselves at the expense of society.

What this shows is that even the most innocuous-seeming governmental activity – such as predicting the weather - can be turned to the cause of thieving and fraud by the powerful, grasping the property and attacking the liberty of the people based on lies and propaganda of the political class.

There is a need to extirpate this cancer root and branch. All climate agencies and policies should be abolished forthwith.

But alsom predicting the weather is not a legitimate function of government in the first place: the BOM should be abolished. Neither is broadcasting and media: the ABC should be sold off immediately – its partisan bias in the whole scam has been shameful. Neither is indoctrination of young people a legitimate function of government: state universities have been complicit in this whole mediaeval witch-hunt from the start, and should also be phased out.

If not, they will only keep all their ill-gotten gains and do it over all again on some other pretext in the next few years.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Thursday, 9 October 2014 9:38:21 AM
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Read about the deep ocean in context http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/06oct_abyss/

The ocean is warming, but not at great depth. Don't get too excited about a hiatus that is a blip in the unprecedented rate of average global surface temperature that has occurred over the last 150 years of this interglacial period.

In the last ice age, glaciation over New York was a mile deep and average global surface temperature was only 5 degrees lower than today. Humanity, where it could exist, was at hunter-gatherer status. If warming proceeds to 5 degrees higher than today should we expect a return to this status? There will be upheaval and dislocation such as humanity has not known. To understand a little of the upheaval caused by just a 3/4 degree reduction in global temperature see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer
Of course, that cold year was a sudden change, while we have time to adapt, however the magnitude of change we won't adapt to. Economists touting positive cost-benefit analyses of GW assume a steady ride up-temperature with no major dislocation, while McKitrick assumes, further, the current hiatus is meaningful and demands a mute response to the ~130 years of unprecedented rate of temperature rise preceding it.

Ocean temperature is rising, just not where it's very deep
Posted by Luciferase, Thursday, 9 October 2014 9:47:12 AM
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Thanks for this article, Alan, a straightforward statement of the truth about the AGW fraud. The fraud-backers are stirred up; the hound is right, the deniers are here, and he is one of them. The realists have nothing to deny.

The UN will have to find another fraud to promote. AGW is dead
Posted by Leo Lane, Thursday, 9 October 2014 10:41:10 AM
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