yvonne,

Romans 14:10
You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.

doing again what you accuse me of doing Yvonne

' It is your conceit Runner about yourself. '
I suppose you believe Jesus Himself was judgemental when He said

(Mat 18:6) But whoever shall offend one of these little ones who believes in Me, it would be better for him that an ass's millstone were hung around his neck, and he be sunk in the depth of the sea.

(Mat 18:7) Woe to the world because of offenses! For it is necessary that offenses come; but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!

ever considered the unborn might fall into this category Yvonne. I suspect not. More concerned about the person pointing out the evil.

Extropian1 You say "Science advances, improves, refines, conquers"
What is the object for this sentence? Is it civilisation or culture...or perhaps both?

Does it refer to knowledge, skills, language, tools, techniques of civilisations as they follow an evolutionary path?

But have you thought beyond this vision of man as a highly evolved animal?

If we are merely producers and consumers why do some things appear to us as wrong or right? Why do we even bother with ethics? Is there a parallel in the animal kingdom for a notion of humane behaviour? In what other animal do we find religion and art? ...or culture? Why have suicides and mental illness increased with living standards? Is there such thing as "spiritual development" and does being more materially advanced entail spiritual advancement?

Just some thoughts which I think are worth pondering.

A comment on the advertising on this forum. It seems to target men looking for female companionship. Curious :-)

...and the intellectuals: UWA. Male intellectuals seeking female companionship? Lol

Agreed Grateful, they certainly wouldn't find many 'intellectual men' on this forum :)

I like seeing Runner on the run, spitting out his usual 'unborn!' rants in the wrong thread as he goes.

Scientific-based medicine saved Dr. Brantly, no doubt about that.
At least we can see proof of that fact, as opposed to invisible gods....

Surely the answer is embedded in your question, grateful.

>>But have you thought beyond this vision of man as a highly evolved animal? If we are merely producers and consumers why do some things appear to us as wrong or right? etc. etc.<<

Because, as you point out, we are "highly evolved animals".

We have evolved to have ethics, to exhibit humane behaviour, to invent religions and create art, to fret about our humanity to the point of suicide and so on.

In short, we have evolved to become thinkers, not merely "producers and consumers". If we had not so evolved, we would still operate on the same instinctive basis as frogs, or bats, or lorakeets.