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Putting roofs over our heads : Comments

By Harold Levien, published 17/9/2014

Surely housing prices and rentals should not be partly determined by overseas residents seeking capital gain at the expense of Australian citizens?

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There was a newspaper report about how much real estate our politicians own and by the looks of it many of them are possibly negative gearing, so it would be very doubtful for our politicians to change laws that are currently benefiting themselves.

Another assumption, is who is more likely to donate to political parties? There by influencing political decisions.
Posted by Wolly B, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 8:57:02 AM
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The "Big End of Town" like the rules just the way they are so you can forget any reforms, personal gain for politicians is FAR more important than any picayune problems like affordable housing for the general population, anyone would think the author thought we were living in an ACTUAL democracy!
"Governments make rules to suit the governors, NOT the governed"!
Posted by G'dayBruce, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 10:55:29 AM
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Wolly B:
Nailed it in one W.B.
What we need are people willing to divest themselves of real estate investments, before they get into politics.
After all, the notion/claim is to serve the people and feather the national nest, as opposed to self service and feathering the personal nest. [Or he who must be Obeid.]
For mine, doing the job and serving/advancing your fellow Australian, should be reward enough!
And we have enough of those to fill all our parliaments ten times over; and dare I suggest, with far more capable people, than the patently self serving demographic, currently swaggering around the halls of power!?
Even so, they're already handsomely rewarded with salaries, gold card entitlements and generous retirement packages.
And then we wonder, why there seems to be so much corruption in today's politics?
Australian politicians should be serving the exclusive interests of Australians; not foreigners, (foreign investors, no names no pack drill) with great big fat cheque books!? Surely they understand what killed the Celtic tiger!?
Under the original Westminster system, there were no political salaries, and all the pollies were unpaid volunteers, who often set aside personally lucrative careers/business interests, to also serve!
Perhaps if it were mandatory to draw political candidates exclusively, from self supporting semi retired people, who had been successful in other non political careers, and or business!?
We would get people far more (genuinely) concerned about our and their grandkids; and experience far better outcomes, including a long overdue return to affordable housing!
And a far more desirable outcome, than a carefully created, massive, economy killing, real estate bubble burst!
After all, there is no better way to literally destroy real estate values, than to get into a war, that could be long drawn out, and cost the national purse far more than initially envisaged!
Perhaps war bonds,(thirty year self terminating) would be a safer more lucrative investment?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 10:56:26 AM
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My first thought on reading this was, what is this bloke smoking?

Then, was he advising Rudd/Gillard when they threw billions at schools, for nothing more than a few overpriced assembly halls?

Then, perhaps his teaching economics for 27 years has something to do with the incompetence seen in that profession.

To suggest government build houses he must not have noticed, or preferred to ignore, that government housing commissions can always manage to spend much more than twice the going rate for the houses they build. Could his ideology, & preference for big government colour his thinking?

Hell during the schools fiasco, our local school got a 5 pedestal, & one urinal toilet block for very little more than the cost of 3 nice 4 bedroom 2 bathroom suburban homes. Now that's government efficiency for you.

Then he tells us what a good idea government keeping all that lovely negative gearing money would be. Yep bureaucrats are always after more government money to do crazy things like build school halls, or public housing, at ridiculous prices.

What we need is to get government hands out of the pockets of home builders. If they dropped the $100,000 their charges build into the cost of any new home, affordability would skyrocket, & we wouldn't need public housing.

If some of his $5 billion savings were to go to universities, even more kids could be taught drivel like this, in the name of tertiary education. A damn good reason to keep it in the hands of the private sector.

Of course the problem has nothing to do with expectations. No public sector tenant would stop complaining if they were given my home to live in. Too ordinary by half, not a single stainless steel appliance to be seen, & no ducted air conditioning.

It's pieces like this that give my generation a bad name.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 11:20:50 AM
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Our cigar smoking Treasurer who said, "it is time to end the age of entitlement."

Gets paid around $240 per night he spends in Canberra, to stay in a house majority owned by his wife and father. Admittedly this is totally legal.
Posted by Wolly B, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 11:32:44 AM
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Good article. I particularly like the proposed second step. I find it staggering that we allow our homes to be just another asset class in which foreign millionaires can invest. How many of the rich in developing countries have made their money ethically and legally? Bugger all, in my opinion. Yet we allow them to outbid young Australians who are then forced to rent.

If you don't live here, you don't need a home here.

By the way, if Hasbeen can't be polite in his comments, he should tape record his own bile and listen to it later, rather than bothering us with it. The school halls program was a major success. No amount of biased ranting can alter the fact that the halls will deliver value to local communities for decades.
Posted by Philip Howell, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 1:10:51 PM
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Let me take a guess here Phil, you're a lefty academic, now working in, or as an adviser to, the bureaucracy, with family connections who either subcontract out out government building contracts, or specialise in building toilets in public schools.

How did I go?

Yes some of those halls will be useful, but then, so will the one at the private school down the road, which cost not much more than our damn toilet.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 5:37:32 PM
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So a few Chinese buy some houses, just because something affects the Inner City the usual Lefty suspects turn virulently Racist and go full bore hate-speak. But then again scratch a Lefty and find a Racist, the "White Australia Policy" is Labor's as supported 50 years along by the "two wongs don't make a white" Labor Party leader. Neither do they care about drowning a thousand or so Asians recently while in Government.

What I wonder about is why are the Chinese preparing bolt-holes in Australia at the moment? Do they suspect something about China in the near / medium future that may be unpleasant?
Posted by McCackie, Monday, 22 September 2014 2:36:18 PM
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The Chinese have a huge housing surplus!
So to be frank, they just don't need to be here!
Along with other non resident foreigners, like rich yanks etc/etc. Be they black, blue, bronze, pink or purple!
Massively stimulating and already overheated domestic housing market.
We have enough profit hungry landlords here already, without inviting debt laden foreign investors in, some of who are now building entire Residential apartment blocks!
Moreover, those we currently allow in, aren't supposed to be bidding up the prices at preowned action sales.
Increasing the tax foreigners pay on their purchases, might be a useful first step, and a fine at least twice the value of any Realtor commission, who claim they aren't policemen, is probably another?
Higher prices aren't more wealth; they're just higher rates, higher land taxes, higher rates, high insurance, higher maintenance costs, bigger more onerous mortgages, higher commissions and replacement costs!
Higher debt burdens are just not more wealth!
Everybody wins, except the resident home owner or renter!
Pollies should be obliged to hive off any real estate investments, before getting into politics!
If only to untie their hands, when action is needed or long overdue.
And lets apply the same rule at a very local level, to inherently dishonest property developers/councilors, who mostly just buy up soon to be rezoned land?
This should be treated no different to insider trading, because it is, ditto seized private holdings that are sold for a virtual song, to recoup overdue rates.
The practice is to apparently advertise the upcoming auction, in some rag nobody in their district is likely to read, and thereby effectively rob the owner, of the remaining after rates bill, personal equity!
We need to roll out rapid rail, to end the grid lock caused by commuting, and fiance the same through, self terminating thirty year bonds, (let the overseas investors snap them up and become part of the solution) followed by the sale of resumed and then rezoned land!
It's only hard due to a self evident conflict of pecuniary interests, by patently self serving pollies!?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 11:50:04 AM
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