Yes John, the terrible US went in there, as reported by you, and bombed the tripe out of a peaceful Gaza?
And for what?
There they were, at complete peace with all their near neighbors and to a generic man, advocating peace and peaceful cohabitation!
How old are you John?
You don't look old enough to have headed the Nazi war propaganda machine, but you wouldn't have looked, even in the slightest, I believe, out of place there.
Yes there is much destruction and ruin in Gaza!
And every inch of it intensely regrettable; none more so, than homeless widows clutching dead babies, in impossible to imagine overwhelming grief.
Or worse, homeless orphans just sitting there among the rubble and ruin of their former homes; in hopeless, impossible, incomprehensible, zombie like, dead soul sorrow!
Yet here you are, again out there stirring up dissent and anger!
Isn't the price already paid by grieving widows and homeless orphans already enough!
Listen, the Arab voter will outnumber the Jewish voter in Israel, in around a decade, and then control all that then occurs there!
That being so, what the devil are you playing at mate?
Hasn't the been enough death and destruction, without your patently biased opinion pieces, stirring up more hatred.
Mate, you don't put out a fire by pouring petrol on it.
Yes, a few Jews may well be conducting themselves almost as if they were the Nazis? That's a given!
Hold them to account by all means, not the collective!
Look, how can the spilling of more blood, ever pay for that already spilled and at the behest of a tiny insane minority!
Enough already.
Rhrosty.

This bloke is so far past his use by date he is just a painful joke.

Unlike HASBEEN and RHOSTY, the world is a far better place because of people like John Pilger.

HASBEEN and RHOSTY bring nothing positive to our conflicted world. Their black and white view of everything shows they are intellectually-challenged and they are more like robotic walking-stereotypes than real human beings.

You know exactly what they are going to say before you read their comments. Rhosty is always overly-verbose and Hasbeen, well, his pseudonym says it all.

John Pilger will be missed by many people when he departs this mortal coil.

Rhosty and Hasbeen will be remembered by no one!

Look Rhrosty, Hasbeen and David G.

Don't knock Pilger's slavishly pro-Russian views on Ukraine-MH17.

Pilger does get his talking points from Russian intelligence. His codename is Svakom Alice http://youtu.be/CTAzu4rq360 .

But Pilger is the best mouthpeice Putin can buy.

Pete

Take his passport of him & never let the traitor back into Australia.

Biggest load of crap I've read in a while.

He'll never answer any of the posts anyway.

People like Jayb don't like hearing the truth.

The lack of support for John Pilger just shows how stupid and ignorant most Australians are. Genocide is happening in Palestine occupied territories and the West shamefully ignores it.

If we allow this to happen today, one day it could be us, under the guise of saving the planet because of over population.

Arjay: The lack of support for John Pilger just shows how stupid and ignorant most Australians are.

No. It just shows how smart Australians are. Pilger gets paid to stir up controversy. Most Australians can see through him. Some, who aren't very bright, go along with every thing he has to say, no matter how idiotic. Even if he said Pink was Green, some people would argue he was right.

Pilger is so biased no-one with more than a few brain cells could miss it, and he's so blatant he robs himself of any real chance of getting his message across, he's a self-caricature who fails to amuse.
He's basically become a class-clown who plays at Devil's Advocate, but he's about as subtle as a roo on the roof.
Noisy, annoying, dropping distasteful "pellets of wisdom" everywhere, and HOW t f did it get up there anyway?

Hi Arjay

It being childrens hour you better avert your eyes as Justin Bieber pulls out his "bottle" and verbally flogs John Pilger within an inch of his suntan http://youtu.be/bE9TrbevqiY

This video is in no way meant to trivialise the crimes perpetrated against the Chelsea Mannings of trannieland. We love John, he is a shining example of what a journalist should be and a great great man (in his own mind).

As for the Bieber, well...whatever.

Pete

Let's ask the 43 reservist soldiers of Unit 8200 who sent Netenyahu a letter, in it they, "have condemned alleged "abuses" of Palestinians in the occupied territories."

“Only when the truth is out there can any of us be free”.

Absolutely true indeed. But in the usual sad impotent force the Pilgers of the world have only offered – their truth is always in a mud pit of ignored, deleted and manufactured facts and histories.

I often use this same advice when attempting to explain to the average Arab/Muslim or just ignorant westerner like Pilger about how to make sense of these endemic conflicts.
I mean when a pro-Pilgerite yells about the Arab oppression by Jews and white westerners and the apparent one-sided aggression and sinner [Israel & west], I like to remind them that the two sides can in essence be judged and understood by looking closely to the little people and both sides and their daily actions and thoughts and intentions.
For instance in Israel or any western nation where millions of Arabs and Muslims live in diasporas in each nation, the average health and education access and basic safety is in ALL cases much much higher than the average of same for regular Muslims in ANY and ALL Arab/Muslim nations in the world.
Similarly the displaced Jews in was with Arabs since 1960s have been largely recompensated and repatriated by Israel on their own dollar whereas the displaced Arabs/Palestinians of same conflicts were never given anything by any Arab/Muslim nation and in fact to this very day these same refugees have lived in camps on the borders of Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt etc. in tents for over 40 years now as they are NOT allowed to work or live or become citixens of any of those brotherly Arab nations that openly espouse to care and fight for them, they do not even give any money or food to the camps which is left to the usual responsibilities of the western devil nations.

So yes, the average little people of Palestine etc. will never be able to be free whilst these truths are denied.

Read what Dr Paul Craig Roberts says about our Govts lies of 911.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/09/10/911-13-years-paul-craig-roberts/

Dr Roberts was the ex-assistant secretary to the US Treasury during the Reagan era.

Amnesty International supports the truth of Pilger's comments.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/israel-must-scrap-illegal-land-grab-west-bank-2014-09-01

Arjay: Dr Paul Craig Roberts

Another Left Wing Conspiracy Theorist who's opinion is no more tangible as yours or mine.

The Future: Amnesty International

Now there's an organization just jammed packed full of Left Wing, Politically Correct Wacko's Uni Students who won't pass their Courses if they don't follow the line of their Left Wing Tutors.

Hamas has admitted it fired their Rockets from populated Civilian locations, Schools & Hospitals.

One of Israel's political stars, Tzipi Livni,
highlighted the Jewish state's collapsing
international image when she observed that
today's United Nations would not pass the
29 November, 1947 amendment that called for the
establishment of Israel. Israel's legitimacy
would be in doubt. The response howevr, should
not simply be to label critics as antisemites
but to begin focusing on justice for both Israelis
and Palestinians, and not just on military might.

The Jewish state can only ignore majority world
opinion for so long.

Despite these uncomfortable realities, the Israeli
perspective is better presented and understood in
the West, largely because of the Zionist lobby's
activities, but also because Israel's struggle
against "terrorism" is now framed - even more so since
September 11 - as "our" struggle against Islamic
fundamentalism.

The Palestinians are not particularly effective at
translating their message for a Western audience, and most
Western journalists based in Israel spend relatively
little time in East Jerusalem and the occupied territories.

Zionist lobby groups in the USA, United Kingdom, Europe
and Australia are highly vocal and very efficient at
persuading journalists, editors, and politicians that
Israel must be supported and defended.

Ferocious media-monitoring groups contribute to this
atmosphere of intimidation. They also of course refuse to
tolerate any dissenting opinions on the conflict, and
actively campaign against both Jewish and non-Jewish
critics.

The Zionist lobby isn't of course solely responsible for
the situation, but the post-September 11 environment has
emboldened the lobby. Public boradcasters (and authors
such as John Pilger) are criticised for not being tougher
on "terrorists," and the 2003 Hanan Ashrawi affair
proved that even the views of a moderate Palestinian were
unacceptable for public consumption. For the AIJAC, a
good Palestinian is a silent Palestinian.

Foxy: The Jewish state can only ignore majority world opinion for so long.

Is it a "majority world opinion," or is it a vocal islamic loving, vocal Uni trained Left Wing, Politically Correct mob of, "Apologists for everything Western." crowd, of which bounty they enjoy. Something they wouldn't get to enjoy if the crowd they root for every got their way.

Dear Jayb.,

If you want to take part in serious
discussions - you need to argue on
an intelligent, mature level, not
an immature emotional one. All you
had to do is Google the information
and you would have found out that
the only countries less popular than
Israel are - North Korea, Pakistan, and
Iran.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bbc-poll-israel-among-world-s-least-popular-nations-1.525890

jayb which part of Dr Paul Craig Roberts article is a lie? http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/09/10/911-13-years-paul-craig-roberts/ I'll be happy to debate you on any detail since I've met and had lengthy conversations with Richard Gage the founder of http://www.ae911truth.org/

Foxy: If you want to take part in serious discussions.

If you can't be serious, I don't see why I have to be.

Foxy: Google the information and you would have found out that the only countries less popular than Israel are - North Korea, Pakistan, and Iran.

Less popular for what exactly? Tourism? Islamic pilgrimage? IQ's, Universities? Freedoms?

I couldn't see Iraq/Syria being very popular at the moment unless you want to fight for ISIL/S. The new Country, Islamic Caliphate, ISIL/S does seem to be very popular with armed islamic extremists of the worst kind, some 30000 of them at the moment, of course when they get cherry picked they'll all turn into "innocent civilians," just like the members of Hamas that got killed were. Like the dead ones under the sheets that miraculously came back to life. Hupppppth!

I like Israel, they're getting rid of that scum of the Earth, Hamas, that's gotta count for som'tin'.

Roberts: Millions of Muslims have paid for this lie with their lives, the destruction of their families, and with their dislocation.

The American forces only accounted for a small number of War dear moslems. the millions he talks about were killed & are still being killed by fellow moslems not Americans.

Conspiracy theorists abound everywhere. But I have to admit that when I saw the Towers come down that day I was very suspicious of the was they fell, myself. OK. The same with Dianna, when she died. I rang a mate immediately I heard & said, "she's been done in." He said looks like it"," OH! he was in that type of employ for the British Government before emigrating to Australia. His exploits, going back to the Suez & make James Bond look like a pussy. Strangely, he looks like Sean Connery too.

There is not a Government on Earth that doesn't lie to it's people. Something I am familiar with in some aspects. You only have to look at our successive Governments over the last 50 years that I've been voting. That's just .5% of the tip of the iceberg. Believe me you are better off not knowing what goes on behind closed doors. You would slit your wrists.

If you want to pick a type of Government to live under which would you choose, An Australian, British, American or Islamic Government. Pick on & let me know. You won't of course, will you?

Dear Jayb,

Not exactly what one would or could call constructive
criticism or an intelligent reasoned response.

You've proven my point.

Thank You.

I think we all get you (to be sure).

Just because something isn't a lie does not mean it isn't deceptive. A liar knows he is a liar, but one who speaks more portions of truth in order to deceive, is a craftsman of destruction". Cris Jami.
"A half- truth is the most cowardly of lies". Mark Twain.
"The only thing more frustrating than slanderers is those foolish enough to listen to them". Cris Jami.
John Pilger presents himself as a multi award winning journalist, but the only tenuous connection this article has to journalism, is that it was printed in a journal. There is no ethical journalistic commitment to presenting both sides of the story. Nor is there even a token attempt at maintaining a semblance of objectivity. This is not an opinion piece, it is a diatribe.
Paper, whether it is in the form of hard copy, or the electronic screen, has no minimum standards, it absorbs everything - even slander and unsubstantiated accusations - not to mention misrepresentations and lies. John Pilger knows this and exploits it to the full.
But enough of that. I do not believe in personal attacks. They fulfill no purpose and are often the last resort when one cannot present a suitable argument. I think the best way to deal with this particular purveyor of hate and bigotry is to expose his sophistry, how he twists the facts to suit his convictions and presents them as an eternal truth. To discredit a "journalist" of this self- proclaimed fame, will do more damage to his credibility than calling him a liar and a hypocrite (to be continued)

"The attack on Gaza was an attack on all of us. The siege on Gaza is a siege of all of us". Such poignant identification with the innocent victim, right? It sure is a pity that the writer forgot to mention that the attack on Gaza followed the kidnapping and brutal murder of three unarmed, innocent teenagers by Hamas operatives. The fact that for two weeks, Israeli civilian citizens in the south were subjected to rocket bombardment after bombardment, from Gaza, 185 in all ( and 4762 over the following two months) - all into Israel's internationally recognized borders, is not important to him. He presents the case as if Operation Protective edge was an uncalled for act of aggression. For every other country in the world, having 185 rockets fired on its civilians is casus belli. For Israel, its response was an unjustifiable act of aggression. But to mention that fact doesn't do his op-ed much good, so he chooses to omit it.
"The denial of justice to Palestinians is a symbol of much of humanity..." The writer "forgets" to note that the call for justice for the Palestinians has a sinister addendum: genocide and the destruction of Israel. You see, for the Palestinians, "justice" is a Palestine from the river to the sea. ie. From the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. How much place does that leave for Israel? Not much, I think. What will become of the Jews living there at the moment? Good question. One which Mr. Pilger chooses not to even address, let alone answer.
"Nothing has changed since the Zionists' infamous “Plan D” in 1948 that ethnically cleansed an entire people". I call on Mr. Pilger to substantiate this irresponsible claim. "Ethnic cleansing", as in genocide? Firstly, he uses the past tense. I challenge him to prove this claim that this happened at all. Now here are some facts: At the end of the War of Independence, there remained in Israel 550,000 Arabs. (to be continued)

If there was any truth about "Plan D", as the writer claims, why were they not dealt with and ethnically cleansed, then? In Israel today, not including the West Bank and Gaza, there live 2.5 million Arabs, the vast majority of whom are Muslims. (to be continued) You can do your own math as to the effectiveness of Israel's ethnic cleansing "program". How come are they still alive, if Israel is intent on ethnic cleansing? How is it that these targets for ethnic cleansing have risen to the status of High Court judges, senior civil servants of government offices, heads of Departments at Israeli universities and hospitals? Not to mention 12 members of the society targeted for ethnic cleansing, sitting in Israel's parliament. Some are so vociferously and vocally critical of Israel, that in other countries they would be thrown out from the scruff of their necks. Now, let's turn to the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza: There are currently 4.4 million. Gaza has the highest birth rate in the world, 2.9% per annum. That is almost 1/3 higher than before 1967. Does that sound like effective ethnic cleansing to you? Israel has the strongest army in the region, with the most effective statistics in the use of its weapons. Are you telling me that if Israel really wanted to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians, it could not do so?

Now let us turn our attention, just for a minute, to the results of REAL ethnic cleansing: In the Rwanda conflict between 800,000 to one million Tutsi died, in the space of 8 years. In Bosnia, 100,000 Muslims were murdered within 3 years. In the Second World War, about 6000,000 Jews perished in the Death Camps in the space of 6 years, 52% of the total Jewish population in Europe. THAT, dear readers, is genocide – or ethnic cleansing. (to be continued)

In the Palestinian-Israel conflict since 1948 and up to 2012, according to B'Tselem figures, (an Israeli Human Rights organization monitoring the conflict with a declared anti- government bias. It is internationally recognized as reliable), there have been 7978 deaths. Included in this number, there are 1593 casualties as a result of intra Palestinian rivalry. I think that is enough for you to draw your own conclusions – both about the accusations and about the credibility of Mr. Pilger.
I would now like to turn your attention to Mr. Pilger's sophistry and the way he manipulates his readers. He employs a very effective tactic of mixing vivid emotive detail alongside vagueness. He does this so that no one can call him out and refute what he writes as "facts". For, how can you refute what he writes if you do not know when, where or how these terrible "atrocities" he describes happened? In this way he exploits his position and preys upon the uninformed, coloring their opinion to his way of thinking. That is misrepresentation, euphemistically put. Here are a few examples:
"For years, reporters have watched Israeli soldiers bait Palestinian children by abusing them through loud-speakers. Then they shoot them dead". Could it perhaps be that the loudspeakers are actually calling on all the people to evacuate the area ahead of an impending attack? I can personally vouch that this is what the soldiers are doing, because I have personally been there, in a similar situation. Is that what he means by "baiting" and "abuse"? Why were the children shot? He would have you believe that they were shot in cold blood, for doing absolutely nothing at all, just hanging around. He does not bother to describe the fact that this happened, for instance, in the heat of a violent riot, where Molotov Cocktails were thrown at the soldiers, or that the soldiers were shot at from within a heaving crowd of rioters. (to be continued)

In the Palestinian-Israel conflict since 1948 and up to 2012, according to B'Tselem figures, (an Israeli Human Rights organization monitoring the conflict with a declared anti- government bias. It is internationally recognized as reliable), there have been 7978 deaths. Included in this number, there are 1593 casualties as a result of intra Palestinian rivalry. I think that is enough for you to draw your own conclusions – both about the accusations and about the credibility of Mr. Pilger.
I would now like to turn your attention to Mr. Pilger's sophistry and the way he manipulates his readers. He employs a very effective tactic of mixing vivid emotive detail alongside vagueness. He does this so that no one can call him out and refute what he writes as "facts". For, how can you refute what he writes if you do not know when, where or how these terrible "atrocities" he describes happened? In this way he exploits his position and preys upon the uninformed, coloring their opinion to his way of thinking. That is misrepresentation, euphemistically put. Here are a few examples:
"For years, reporters have watched Israeli soldiers bait Palestinian children by abusing them through loud-speakers. Then they shoot them dead". Could it perhaps be that the loudspeakers are actually calling on all the people to evacuate the area ahead of an impending attack? I can personally vouch that this is what the soldiers are doing, because I have personally been there, in a similar situation. Is that what he means by "baiting" and "abuse"? Why were the children shot? He would have you believe that they were shot in cold blood, for doing absolutely nothing at all, just hanging around. He does not bother to describe the fact that this happened, for instance, in the heat of a violent riot, where Molotov Cocktails were thrown at the soldiers, or that the soldiers were shot at from within a heaving crowd of rioters. Nor does he bother allow you to think anything else other than that these children were the intended targets, not unfortunate collateral damage. (to be continued)

Since he does not provide you with the circumstances, he allows no room for rebuttal. That is twisting the facts to suit one's agenda.
"For years, reporters have known about Palestinian women about to give birth and refused passage through a roadblock to a hospital; and the baby has died, and sometimes the mother". Does this sound at all logical? Pilger fails to mention that these ambulances have been used by the Palestinians in the past to smuggle suicide belts and terrorists into Israel. Here is just a taste of what I am talking about, in a link: http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFA-Archive/2003/Pages/The%20Palestinian%20use%20of%20ambulances%20and%20medical%20mate.aspx.
If this does not justify the necessity to use roadblocks to monitor who is entering Israel from the West Bank and Gaza, what is? Pilger's failure to enlighten his readers on the reasons behind the roadblocks and the inspections of ambulances (which unfortunately cause delays) is an intentional attempt at misleading his readers. In addition, pregnant women themselves, have been suicide bombers, exploiting their condition to infiltrate Israel. Here is proof: http://www.haaretz.com/news/two-women-would-be-suicide-bombers-caught-on-way-to-attack-1.223027.
"For years, reporters have known about stricken people prevented from getting life-saving treatment, or shot dead when they’ve tried to reach a clinic for chemotherapy treatment. One elderly lady with a walking stick was murdered in this way – a bullet in her back". Firstly, there are 54 hospitals in the West Bank, with room for 43,800 beds. This begs the question why the Palestinians need to enter Israel to go to a hospital? Is this, in itself - the fact that Israel allows Palestinians to enter Israel for medical care - not a contradiction of Pilger's claim that Israel wants to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians? If YOU wanted to ethnically cleanse a people, would you provide them with medical care and waste your precious resources on them? But let's get back to the quote; (to be continued)

Pilger does not provide the time or place, not the circumstances or the incident for the reader, intentionally making it difficult for one to rebut his accusation. I did manage to find this article: http://www.foxnews.com/story/2002/12/03/elderly-palestinian-woman-killed-in-israeli-attack/. What is described must be put in the context of the second intifada, between 2000 and 2004, in which over 1500 Israeli civilians were killed in hundreds of terrorist attacks, by suicide bombers, car bombs and drive by shootings. The road was closed to civilian use. It was dark (therefore, the soldiers were not able to see who was sitting in the car). There had been terrorist attacks on that very road before. The driver of the car was acting suspiciously and did not stop when called to do so. Warning shots were fired. When the car continued traveling at speed towards them, the soldiers probably felt that it was a terrorist attack, and fired. All this does not interest Pilger one jot – as long as he evokes emotions of outrage from his readers, that the cruel, bloodthirsty Israelis shot an elderly Palestinian woman in the back. The fact that she was in a car (therefore the walking stick thing is an emotive prop, nothing more), is not important to him. Just that she was shot in the back. More sophistry.
"In one of my films, a Palestinian cameraman, Imad Ghanem, lies helpless while soldiers from the “most moral army in the world” blew both his legs off." Again, where is the context? He would have you believe that this reporter was sitting in a coffee house, sipping coffee, when out of the blue, a big, black helicopter suddenly appeared and released a hellfire rocket into the coffee house. Then, seeing poor Ghanem lying helpless, the pilot, from a distance of hundreds of meters, took aim and blew his legs off. Is it not more conceivable that the reporter was in the middle of an extremely violent conflict and just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? (to be continued)

We will never know, since the writer does not want you to know. He just wants you to feel the outrage.
"Hamas has repeatedly offered a 10-year truce with Israel and has long settled for a two-state solution". Then what is this? http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Hamas-Mashaal-did-not-accept-the-two-state-solution
"The unforgivable crime of Hamas is a distinction almost never reported: it is the only Arab government to have been freely and democratically elected by its people". These elections were held in 2006. Eight years have passed since then. There has not been another election. For how long can one hold onto the mantra of "democratically elected", if there has not been a subsequent election for such a long time? Add to that: the Hamas putsch of PLO personnel in the violent civil war in 2007. In that war, Hamas militants went into hospitals and killed PLO wounded lying in their beds, one by one, and making certain no one got out alive. True, democratic behavior, right? Add to that the public hangings and summary public executions without trial for crimes of "collaboration with Israel" to prostitution and being gay. Democratic? Nope. Misrepresentation? Yup.
"Resistance is humanity at its bravest and most noble". Let us examine this bravery. 14000 rockets fired deliberately at civilian targets from miles away, and from within civilian population centers, schools and mosques. Does that sound brave to you? Using one's own population as human shields, often by force, and then crying to the world in outrage when the human shields are killed in retaliation about "genocide". Is that noble? Methinks Mr. Pilger has a very warped sense of what is noble. Seems to me he has mixed the definition up with perfidy.
"The resistance in Gaza is rightly compared with the 1943 Jewish uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto – which also dug tunnels and deployed tactics of subterfuge and surprise against an overpowering military machine." One difference the writer fails to enlighten readers about: the Jews in the ghetto were fighting for their lives against an enemy that had already outlined a plan for a Final Solution for their annihilation. (see continuation)

The tunnels dug were in order to attack Nazi soldiers who were sending them off to the death camps. The Hamas tunnels were dug under civilian settlements, kibbutzim and moshavim with the express purpose of killing innocent, unarmed men, women and children – and those that were not killed, to be kidnapped and held for ransom, without access to the Red Cross or any other international aid organization. How does that compare? That is misleading the readers.
In conclusion, I will say this: Mr. Pilger may have started out as a journalist. He may have even won awards for journalism that he honestly earned. However, when a journalist trades on his reputation to further his own biased agenda, and flouts all the ethics which are supposed to make journalism reliable, so that the reader can rely on his reporting, then he crosses a line which cheapens all his previous accomplishments. This is what John Pilger has done. He exploits the fact that the majority of his readers are uninformed about the Israel-Palestine conflict (and the wider Arab-Israel conflict) to unscrupulously influence their opinions, using manipulations of facts and incidents, which he ensures cannot be verified. In this way he thinks that he can place himself above being called out for the charlatan of truth that he has become. I think it is fair to say that his mentor, from many years ago would have been so proud of him. Yes, I really do think that Goebbels could have taken a page out of his book.