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Putin winning the war of words : Comments

By Graham Cooke, published 3/9/2014

Putin is well aware of the consequences, and the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) is just as relevant today as it was in 1962 when the Soviet Union and the United States pulled back from the brink over the Cuban Missile Crisis.

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This article is a very one-sided and biased view of events that led to a dangerous situation.

It only started as a popular (West-)Ukrainian uprising against the democratically elected, turned unpopular, president Yanukovych. It led to Putin’s direct interference only AFTER this revolt was kidnapped by outside interests (unlike the Orange Revolution of 2004) that Putin saw - rightly or wrongly - as threatening Russia’s very security, notably by cutting it off the Black Sea (hence the annexation of Crimea containing Russia’s only warm water naval base), see e.g. George Freedman’s analysis of America’s probable intentions in "Ukraine, Iraq and a Black Sea Strategy" (http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/ukraine-iraq-and-black-sea-strategy#axzz3C9e6GDGs).

The separatists in Eastern Ukraine did not have much support until Poroshenko decided to bomb them. (Whatever could be said about Yanukovych, he did not use the army against his own population). Russia started to visibly support the Donbas separatists only AFTER Poroshenko, already clearly on the NATO side of the conflict, proclaimed that after victory they will go to reseize Crimea with its Sevastopol naval base.

As I quoted elsewhere re Yatsenyuk and Porosheko NATO aspirations encouraged by the NATO GS Rasmussen, “Imagine the American outrage if China built an impressive military alliance and tried to include Canada and Mexico.” (http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141769/john-j-mearsheimer/why-the-ukraine-crisis-is-the-wests-fault).

Whatever the outcome, I think this kidnapping of the Ukrainian popular upheaval has finally succeeded in driving a wedge between EU - notably Western Europe - and Russia, culturally representing the East of Europe and - not less importantly - economically the owner of vast natural resources that could well complement Europe’s, notably Germany’s, technological know-how lacking such resources. Sadly the carriers of this “wedge” are former Soviet satellites, Poland, the Baltics and if we are to believe Friedman, also Romania.

The US is firmly - militarily as well as economically - embracing Europe even more than before by driving Russia into the arms of China. Cui prodest?
Posted by George, Thursday, 4 September 2014 12:04:16 AM
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It is a mathematical certainty that the next collapse will be of biblical proportions. Since 2007 USA Corps have borrowed $4.1 trillion from our counterfeiting banks to buy their own shares. The Derivative gambling bubble is $285,000 for every person on the planet and your savings and super is tied up with this. As Gerald Celente says, when all else fails, they take you to war.

http://usawatchdog.com/financial-system-upside-down-blame-game-on-coming-crash-bill-holter/

They will print the US $ to oblivion and then try to use the "Special Drawing rights " of the IMF to bring in an international currency,thus a new ponzy scheme. By money printing as debt,they no longer have to pay them off and steal from us via inflation to do it.

The real enemy is not Russia and China but our own Oligarchy who will screw us to the grave if we let them."Bail in" ie a Cyprus Style confiscation of bank deposits is on the cards.http://cecaust.com.au/

They will also get your super when the share market crashes since they bet against their own shares going down on the derivative market while we lose everything.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 4 September 2014 6:11:55 AM
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If you thought Australia's foreign policy couldn't get any worse, well, this morning it did. Abbott, incredibly, has announced military support for Ukraine (the Kiev version). This must be the first time we have declared open support for a Nazi based regime.

Unfortunately for Abbott's grandstanding, Poroshenko and Putin announced they had reached agreement in the terms if a ceasefire. Is Abbott now going to declare war on Russia?

The wholesale stupidity of the media was compounded further this morning when the SMH through its alleged foreign editor Peter Hartcher announced yet again in the Donetsk region "where MH17 was shot down on July 17 by pro-Russian rebels". It is simply unbelievable that the country's major newspaper, whose masthead proudly proclaims "independent always" should lend itself to this nonsense.

Why are the country's media, and I include OLO in this criticism, incapable of an honest and fair appraisal of the evidence. Instead we are treated like mushrooms and fed a constant diet of BS.

Just as the Russians were able to produce incontrovertible evidence on 21 July from satellite and radar data, I am sure that they will provide further evidence confirming what has already been reported widely (but not in Australia) that MH17 was brought down by Ukrainian fighter jets. I suspect that Russia copied the Black Box data during the four days between the crash and when the separatists handed them over to the Malaysian authorities. Fear that this is the case is the most likely explanation for the inexplicable delay in releasing the data, and the refusal of Ukraine to hand over the control tower recordings.

We dishonour the dead by being a party to this travesty.
Posted by James O'Neill, Thursday, 4 September 2014 11:37:45 AM
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Yes James.We don't need war,deception and theft like our financial masters. Our greatest weapon is the truth and the courage to speak it.

If just 20% of the pop knew the truth, they would bring down our entire Govt and the financial system which owns it.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 4 September 2014 5:09:25 PM
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This is just so stupid of the US. I thought Iraq was dumb but this takes the cake.
As if Russia would allow their next door neighbor to join NATO. There would be US bases in spitting distance of the Kremlin within weeks.

Did the Americans sit back when Cuba allied with the USSR? Like hell they did and Cuba has been paying for it ever since.

Just more of the same from the evil empire. And they wonder why people hate them.
Posted by mikk, Thursday, 4 September 2014 9:00:38 PM
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Russia is a Senior member of the *Security Council* based on merit, in addition to anything else.

And, when there is a country in its shadow which has taken to lethal fighting amongst themselves, then I think that it is not unreasonable to expect that they would respond proactively.

At times such as these, and as history attests, minorities and others are often subjected to atrocity, thus, if there indeed were those who sought sanctuary in the bosom of *Mother Russia* then I for one do not see anything wrong with that.

Conversely, it would be unfortunate to see Ukraine set up to fail.
Posted by DreamOn, Friday, 5 September 2014 3:20:17 AM
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