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Seeing the light: Hamas' terror tunnels : Comments
By Glen Falkenstein, published 25/8/2014But Hamas did not use this cement to build homes, hospitals, schools, community centres or bomb shelters; instead, they used it to protect their stockpile of weapons, artillery and rockets, and to facilitate attacks on Israeli civilian towns.
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Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 12:04:05 AM
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Then came this crock; “An estimated 800,000 tonnes of cement were used to construct the tunnels, an amount roughly equivalent to 15 Sydney Harbour Bridges.” The IDF claim there destroyed just over 30 tunnels extending into Israel. Let us call it 40 for the sake of argument. That would be 20,000 tonnes of cement for each tunnel. If the tunnel were 2 kilometres long this would be 10 tonne of cement for each metre. Each tonne of cement typically takes another 5 to 6 tonnes of sand and aggregate to make concrete. So that is 60-70 tonne per metre of tunnel length. As a concrete truck typically carries 6 cubic metres of concrete which in turn weighs about 15 tonnes it would take 4 fully loaded concrete trucks per metre to construct these tunnels Nothing we have seen in any footage comes anywhere close to this level of construction. It is pure, made up, pull it out of his arse propaganda. And the shite just keeps on coming; “Construction of each tunnel would have taken many months and huge amounts of physical labour, with reports that children were used by Hamas as tunnel-diggers and that 160 children died during the tunnels' construction.” Crap! The report that talks about 160 children dying during tunnel construction is here; http://www.palestine-studies.org/jps/fulltext/42605 It was referring to the private tunnels dug between Gaza and Egypt and goes on to note; “Once in control of the commercial tunnels, the Hamas government set about formalizing the smuggling economy through regulation. In the wake of Operation Cast Lead, the Interior Ministry established the Tunnel Affairs Commission (TAC) to act as the regulatory authority for commercial activities. Among its first acts was to issue a list of blacklisted imports, including weapons, alcohol, and tramadol, a painkiller much used in Gaza. In response to public concern at a rising toll of tunnel casualties, particularly of child workers, the TAC issued guidelines intended to ensure safe working conditions.” I could go on. Practically every sentence in this article is hyped nonsense and does the writer little credit. Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 12:05:13 AM
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Yeah, but Steeelredux, the Jews have infinitely more credibility than the Muslims. I may concede that the Jews might exaggerate a bit,like the bit about the the Sydney harbour bridge concrete. But I don't believe a word any Muslim says. I am still laughing at the Saddam's "Minister of Information" who claimed that the US was being pushed back while US tanks were resting in the park behind the building he was giving the TV interview in. The best part was when the interview was over and the journos walked across the road to interview the US tankees.
He could get away saying that to Muslims because they are so brainwashed by their evil religion that they accept anything Big Brother says. But western people are a lot smarter than the Muslims. At least the ones who don't have their brains wired backwards after studying for humanities degrees. Even ordinary blokes like JBowyer and me can watch Q&A and figure out that we are being conned. I can't watch Q&A anymore JB, because I put my boot through the screen the last time I watched Q&A. Here in the west, publications which sprout the pro Palestinain, pro Muslim line are in decline because people do not trust the buggers to tell the truth. The most heartening thing today is the "letters" pages in the newspapers. I tried to send "letters to the editor" 10 years ago warning of the dangers of Islam, and they were petty mild letters by the standards of today. But they never got printed because in those days even newspaper publishers were sucking up to multiculturalism. But today there has been a sea change in attitudes, if the letters columns in Sydney's "Daily Telegraph" and "The Australian" are anything to go by. They are so many anti Muslim letters today that I wonder if the people who wrote the letters have ben reading my posts on OLO? People are waking up to Islam, Steelredux, and that is why almost everybody supports Israel. The damned Muslims are just crazy religious psychotics who's countries are all dysfunctional. Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 4:22:46 AM
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History's alchemy is when fiction becomes fact. Imajulianutter and his colleagues are indeed history's alchemists. It is a pity that they miss the point of the article - both Israelis and Gazans deserve better than Hamas. Unfortunately, having elected Hamas to power, ordinary Gazans are now unable to remove them.
Posted by Malcolmpb, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 1:22:32 PM
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What was that about Hamasaki being elected and not facing another election.
Due to the actions of the west and Israel Hamas as a government has been frustrated. Hamas would win any Palestinian election Their defeat of the Israel has cemented that prospect. Even the west bank Palestinians would vote for them. You seem to forget the basic role of democratically elected government. It is to protect the citizens and secure their borders. They did that here against overwhelming military might and tupidity. Posted by imajulianutter, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 3:52:58 PM
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Dear LEGO,
Why do Israel's supporters indulge in so many outright lies. Your claim that most people support Israel. Do Your research on the web. Google the headlines from Reuters, and other news agencies. Israel's global support is now non-existant. The entire world is disgusted and ashamed (including Holocaust survivors - hundreds have signed a petition asking for the occupation and Israel's actions in Gaza to cease). Your claims are abolutely outrageous. And you dare to criticise people like SteeleRedux who deal in facts. Talk about chutzpah! You do know what chutzpah is don't you - It's a Yiddish term - and means - "cheek" (actually its more than just cheek - ita gall and then some) - an example would be - if children would murder their parents then try to throw themselves on the mercy of the court because they're orphans. No one is buying what either you, or other fanatics, like the author of this article or Mr Singer is selling. Peeing on my leg and trying to tell me its raining doesn't work anymore. Try honesty and truth and real evidence, just for a change. You might enjoy the experience - if you learn to identify these ethics. I won't hold my breath though. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 5:43:29 PM
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Firstly why on earth has the word 'terror tunnels' not be put in quotation marks? There is absolutely no proof that these tunnels into Israel were anything but a means of attacking invading forces.
Here is a video of just such an attack on a walled and fortified, Israeli military post;
http://youtu.be/SdGCtjFxJWU
Five Israeli soldiers were killed and one Hamas fighter lost his life. These men had bravely crawled through hundreds of metres of darkened narrow tunnels risking entombment at any time as many similar tunnels were being destroyed by the invading forces. Once emerging behind enemy lines (an enemy that had so brutally killed a thousand of their fellow Gazans) they did not head toward civilian areas but moved across open ground, at great risk to themselves, to attack a fortified military post. They did so against one of the worlds most weaponised, lethal armies risking death at any moment.
Why shouldn't most people regard this as an extremely courageous operation against a vastly superior enemy. I can only applaud their daring. Compare their courage to those Israeli F16 pilots, flying well above any danger, dropping bombs on families, on hospitals, on schools, on UN shelters.
Now to the next lie;
“But Hamas, a proscribed terrorist organisation in many countries, did not use this cement to build homes, hospitals, schools, community centres or bomb shelters; instead, they used it to protect their stockpile of weapons, artillery and rockets, and to facilitate attacks on Israeli civilian towns.”
This video shows that during the time between this and the previous slaughter by Israel there was a building boom in Gaza with material smuggled in from Egypt. Schools hospitals, homes, apartments were all being constructed at a frenetic rate. So much for it being diverted for tunnels.
http://vimeo.com/101819495
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