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Should Australia legally recognise same-sex marriages validly performed overseas? : Comments

By Paula Gerber, published 24/7/2014

Abbott's stance on allowing same-sex couples to marry in foreign consulates in Australia is in stark contrast to the position adopted by former Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

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The fundamental issue is simple: if a group of people (or even one person) wants to do something which does no harm to anyone else, they should be allowed to do so. Thus far nobody has given any remotely credible reasons why allowing gay marriage will disadvantage anyone in any way, so if we value the principles behind an open, civilised society, we should be letting it happen. What it's all 'about', and who's involved, and why the issue has arisen in the first place is all completely immaterial -- as is, of course, the opinions of any real or imagined deity on the matter.
Posted by Jon J, Friday, 25 July 2014 7:35:18 AM
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Simple answer,No!
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 25 July 2014 8:36:13 AM
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jason84
I didn't say Paula was lying 'simply because I don't agree with her'.

I said she’s lying because it's NOT TRUE that gays can't marry, or "aren't allowed" to marry, or it's "illegal" for gays to marry, and she knows it. She’s paid to profess the truth, and she’s spreading lies and propaganda, and when challenged to defend it, she goes quiet.

Homosexuality for hundred and thousands of years, was criminalized as a sexual perversion. The gay movement has rightly fought for an end to the persecution.

But unlike the fake human rights of SSM – there’s no such thing as a “human right” to have one’s sexual relationship registered by government – there are REAL human rights issues affecting more marginalized sexualities, which should have more urgency and priority than *registering* SSM.

Freedom of expression and association are *real* human rights, and if Paula was doing her job properly she would know that.

For example, unlike gays who have complete freedom and equality to marry by exchanging solemn commitments, for polyamorous people, the very act of uttering the vows is a criminal offence.

“There is a difference in law between defacto-spouse and defacto-partner.”

I don’t think there is. What is it?

Jon J
The fundamental issue is simple: if a group of people (or even one person) wants to do something which does no harm to anyone else, they should be allowed to do so.”

That's an argument to repeal the laws on polygamy and age of consent; not to register same-sex marriages.

“ Thus far nobody has given any remotely credible reasons why allowing gay marriage will disadvantage anyone in any way, so ... we should be letting it happen.”
Your argument rests on the false premise that gay marriage is not “allowed” or is not “let happen”. This is factually false. Once we take account of the actual facts: gays have the same right to marry as heterosexuals - in fact more, because multiple marriages are legal for homosexuals but not heterosexuals – the entire argument for so-called SSM collapses.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Friday, 25 July 2014 11:40:22 AM
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Jon J – It is no true to say no one is hurt by the same-sex marriage issue. If it is not the government’s business to be involved in legalising marriage then all taxpayers are being hurt. How much does it cost the country to administer marriages? If the government is involved then a bureaucracy needs to be established and this costs a great deal of money. If it is wrong to waste taxpayers’ funds on heterosexual relationships then adding homosexual relationships only makes a bad situation worse. What if that money could build a new hospital? What is more important to people clamouring for government involvement in their relationships? What are their real values? Where is their integrity as human beings?

There have also been huge amounts of wasted money spent on the discussion of this topic. How much time has been wasted by politicians (whose wages we all pay) in debating this issue? How much time wasted in entertaining lobbyists? How much money does a Senate Enquiry cost the public and for what? Having a piece of paper that says the government considers you to be married cannot be that important. If homosexual people show such a poor sense of what is important and valuable to human beings then they run the risk of being alienated. People who show such a disregard for what is important deserve to be alienated. Perhaps so much of the homophobia they claim is not homophobia at all but a genuine dislike of their sense of values.
Posted by phanto, Friday, 25 July 2014 11:58:12 AM
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Paula Gerber,
Isn't it somewhat strange that none of the smart population countries are included in your listing ?
Posted by individual, Friday, 25 July 2014 7:16:33 PM
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@ individual

Theres no such thing as "smart population countries".
Posted by jason84, Sunday, 27 July 2014 2:51:35 AM
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