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Science the biggest loser from Tasmanian World Heritage decision : Comments

By Mark Poynter, published 17/7/2014

The decision to reject this delisting proposal has itself set an unfortunate precedent for Australia that it is now OK for politics, personal agendas, and nepotism to override science and due process.

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Democracy is a "due process" Mark Poynter.

The Tasmanian electorate has made a choice and you should respect it. Tasmania wallowed in self righteous Green policies for too long and it is now essentially bankrupt. It has become a beggar state dependent upon federal largesse for economic survival. But one thing has become clear to all of those greenies who immigrated to Tasmania as a Green utopian state. Unless they get over their tree hugging neuroses, their kids will become bereft of any hope that things may ever improve and the Tasmanians will lose their children to the mainland.

It is alright being pious and sneering at industry as the polluters of the world, and doing everything to drive industry away. But sooner or later, the penny drops that unless you have industry, you can forget a future with prosperity. Greenies may have a vision of everybody in the world becoming secular Amish but most people do not think like that. Fantasising about the nobility of poverty is only for those who have money and security.

Now we have the absurd position of an unelected international body telling democratically elected state and federal governments in Australia, what they may or may not do with their own territory. Who was the idiot who signed away the sovereignty of Australia to foreigners? That is the issue that Mark Poynter should be examining with his self righteous attitude.

But no, Mark is another greenie who's job in the media is to look for creative ways to portray the responsible people who want Australia to be economically viable, to be the enemies of humankind, while the green conservatives are the "scientific" thinkers who are the saviours of the world.

Here is the solution, Mark. Let Tasmania and South Australia secede from the Federation and you can all go and live in Green poverty forever without federal assistance. But I doubt that you will go for that. You would prefer to sit on your Federally subsidised ivory tower and pretend that you are oh, so morally superior to us, while we pick up the bill.
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 18 July 2014 6:00:07 AM
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Good article Mark although the true depth of the perversion of science and due process in this world heritage debacle goes much deeper and information is still coming to light.

more information about this at

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tasmanian-World-Heritage-Con-Job-the-truth-behind-the-2013-extension/325896320896192?ref=hl
Posted by Chris1904, Friday, 18 July 2014 6:37:14 AM
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Great article Mark! It is a pity it is all true, and in fact I believe the corruption is more widespread and deeper than you have outlined in your article here.
I believe the strategy and tactics used by the green groups were cranked up when they saw both the Tasmanian and national Labor governments pass into minority needing the support of Greens in the space of a few months back in 2010, combined with the Greens having the balance of power in the Senate.
They knew they had to create a bargaining situation, and they knew that if they could get an agreement of the type they wanted they could land a body blow on the native forest-based timber industry. They knew they would have to get federal cash for buy-outs, and they knew the deal would have to have Tasmanian legislation, and they knew it would be secure if they could add a WHA extension to it. FSC certification was part of it, and the article published in Quadrant Online by Ron Boswell in July spells it all out.
Other aspects needing more clarity are they inter-connections between some of the people mentioned, and it starts to make even more sense. Some caught up in the negotiating process were lambs to the slaughter, including the branches and members of TCA in Tasmania, and of course FIAT must be disappointed at where their negotiating effort got them, and they didn't help their smaller colleagues much, and in fact their efforts could have been like this: "OK, if there is going to be a smaller pie, we want ALL of it for our members, and the rest can go away, and take the buy-out if they can get it."
The deal was a disaster for the Special Timbers industry, which has had a large portion of its resource locked up. The members of the previous Labor state government should hang their heads in shame. They abrogated their responsibilities and sold us down the river, and are showing no recognition of that, or any preparedness to help fix it.
Posted by teredo, Friday, 18 July 2014 11:22:52 AM
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LEGO, you said:
"But no, Mark is another greenie who's job in the media is to look for creative ways to portray the responsible people who want Australia to be economically viable, to be the enemies of humankind, while the green conservatives are the "scientific" thinkers who are the saviours of the world."

Before you started typing it would have been prudent to have read the article .... if you had done so you would probably have been surprised to find that I am not one of the 'greenies' that you deride, and that the article actually supports your view that we can't as a society continue to simply lock-up all our resources and hope to maintain a viable society as per the Green-Left's default position in relation to forests.

By the way, I am not employed in the media, but am a professional forester who occassionally writes online articles representing forestry viewpoints that are otherwise rarely seen in relation to environmental issues.
Posted by MWPOYNTER, Saturday, 19 July 2014 10:07:52 AM
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teredo

I realise that this article is only scraping the surface of what runs much deeper and is more widespread, but the constraints of a 2000 word essay makes it impossible to cover everything. I suspect that a book would be required to fully document everything that has happened.
Posted by MWPOYNTER, Saturday, 19 July 2014 11:28:16 AM
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