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By Peter Kurti, published 10/7/2014Yet it is in just such circumstances that the religious believer may demand the freedom to express in public his or her religiously inspired views about human sexuality.
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ask any doctor and if truthful he will tell you of high disease rates among those committing sodomy. Jon J wants the studies where the best evidence is available. This rule of thumb obviously escapes the secular humanist who will distort any evidence and even had out degrees for those doing it. Just look at the gw faith and the pseudo science used to make pensioners trying to stay warm with heaters while the scaremongers fly first class around the world. None more bigoted than the secular humanist.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 10 July 2014 2:06:45 PM
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There is no possibility that the State will compel churches to marry gays. Churches are free to put whatever rules they want on who to marry – the Catholics, for example, will not marry divorcees.
If the government decides to permit gay marriage – and I hope it does – the churches will be able to decide whether or not to conduct them. As a Christian, I hope they do. Here in Perth the Anglican Synod has twice voted to support civil unions, only to be overturned by its Archbishop. It was clear from the debate that most representatives support full marriage equality. I would expect a CIS Fellow to be more clear-thinking about the boundaries of freedom and the coercive power of the state. The state’s distinction between the relationships it will sanction and those it won’t constitutes abuse of power and discrimination. There is absolutely no infringement of religious liberties if the state decides to adopt marriage equality. Posted by Rhian, Thursday, 10 July 2014 2:35:29 PM
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Dear runner,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism tells about secular humanism. From the website: "According to the Council for Secular Humanism, within the United States, the term "secular humanism" describes a world view with the following elements and principles: • Need to test beliefs – A conviction that dogmas, ideologies and traditions, whether religious, political or social, must be weighed and tested by each individual and not simply accepted by faith. • Reason, evidence, scientific method – A commitment to the use of critical reason, factual evidence and scientific method of inquiry in seeking solutions to human problems and answers to important human questions. • Fulfillment, growth, creativity – A primary concern with fulfillment, growth and creativity for both the individual and humankind in general. • Search for truth – A constant search for objective truth, with the understanding that new knowledge and experience constantly alter our imperfect perception of it. • This life – A concern for this life (as opposed to an afterlife) and a commitment to making it meaningful through better understanding of ourselves, our history, our intellectual and artistic achievements, and the outlooks of those who differ from us. • Ethics – A search for viable individual, social and political principles of ethical conduct, judging them on their ability to enhance human well-being and individual responsibility. • Justice and fairness – an interest in securing justice and fairness in society and in eliminating discrimination and intolerance. • Building a better world – A conviction that with reason, an open exchange of ideas, good will, and tolerance, progress can be made in building a better world for ourselves and our children." Secular humanists have a high regard for evidence. They reject such concepts as God or an afterlife since there is no reasonable evidence for the existence of either. Some secular humanists have superstitious backgrounds such as yours but have rejected superstition when it has become plain to them that such beliefs do not rely on evidence. I hope you will make the most of your life. It is the only life you have or will have. Posted by david f, Thursday, 10 July 2014 3:54:07 PM
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Dear David f
Need to test beliefs - totally failed by accepting evolution fantasy while rejecting the obvious Reason, evidence, scientific method - failed as per above Search for truth - again totally failed as they deny absolutes Ethics - whose ethics? Evidence of humanist being just as sinful if not more than anyone else. Building a better world - certainly failed on that. The fruits of secularism have been increase child abuse, drug usage, suicides, imoorality, perversion. Posted by runner, Thursday, 10 July 2014 4:06:25 PM
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Dear runner,
There is no other scientific explanation for the diversity of life besides evolution. If you know of another scientific explanation I should like to hear about it. Unfortunately you do not rely on evidence. Knowledge proceeds from questioning and following wherever the evidence leads. It is your loss. Pity. Posted by david f, Thursday, 10 July 2014 4:32:38 PM
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The quotes, Jon J, are to indicate that I am using a pair of terms whose very definition is contested. Those words in normal use did not include same-sex partnerships, that meaning is an innovation; and the implication that existing arrangements are not equal or need changing is just a re-framing of the debate to suit the innovators.
Ten years ago gay politicals called marriage a bourgeois institution of which they wanted no part. They had freedom and marriage was for breeders, a form of slavery to them. Gays have always been equal in marriage because it was never defined as having to be about 'love' or 'your primary sexual orientation'. Gays freely married people of the opposite sex, if they chose, and that is why we have so many SS families with children. Now, in a Foucaultian inversion a new and novel moral absolute is used to shut down debate and marginalise anyone who even hesitates to swallow their junk. The important questions have not been answered because bigots - politically-correct bigot - have shut down debate. Posted by ChrisPer, Thursday, 10 July 2014 5:55:46 PM
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