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Evolutionary science isn't a closed book : Comments

By Hiram Caton, published 2/9/2005

Hiram Caton argues as part of the debate on natural selection, maybe introduce intelligent design at tertiary level.

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Ok Philo, let’s talk flood.

So where did the flood water come from, and where did it go?

The theory you reference was Walt Brown's model, which proposed that the Flood waters came from a layer of water about ten miles underground, which was released by a catastrophic rupture of the earth's crust, shot above the atmosphere, and fell as rain. The main problem with this theory is there is no evidence for it – zero. The escaping waters would have eroded the sides of the fissures, producing poorly sorted basaltic erosional deposits. These would be concentrated mainly near the fissures, but some would be...blah blah anyway the point is there's no evidence so let's move on.

A few (of many) questions regarding the flood:

How are the polar ice caps possible? Such a mass of water as the Flood would have provided sufficient buoyancy to float the polar caps off their beds and break them up. They wouldn't regrow quickly. In fact, the Greenland ice cap would not regrow under modern (last 10 ky) climatic conditions.

Why did the Flood not leave traces on the sea floors? A year long flood should be recognizable in sea bottom cores by (1) an uncharacteristic amount of terrestrial detritus, (2) different grain size distributions in the sediment, (3) a shift in oxygen isotope ratios (rain has a different isotopic composition from seawater), (4) a massive extinction, and (n) other characters. Why do none of these show up?

Why is there no evidence of a flood in ice core series? Ice cores from Greenland have been dated back more than 40,000 years by counting annual layers. A worldwide flood would be expected to leave a layer of sediments, noticeable changes in salinity and oxygen isotope ratios, fractures from buoyancy and thermal stresses, a hiatus in trapped air bubbles, etc. Why doesn't such evidence show up?

Looking forward to your answers.

Ref: http://www.talkorigins.org

PS: I won’t comment on that last part of your post because it’s so absurd, I can’t tell if you’re having a laugh or not. I wouldn’t be surprised either way.
Posted by spendocrat, Friday, 30 September 2005 10:51:41 AM
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What has floods got to do with evolution? Nothing; except that they have changed environments. In case you hadn't heard - Australia is largely a desert, howewver there is more water below its surface than there is above its surface. The record of floods are extensive. I live on a sand basin 40 Klms from the coast, that was once a sea-bed
Below that sea bed I have dug up petrified tree fossils. Trees do not normally petrify in a sandy sea bed. Similar tree fossils were found in sand deposits in nearby Penrith Quarries.

What suddenly buried the seam of coal that runs along the East coast of Australia? More like an asteroid to me, which would have also caused a giant flood wave. There are large rocks on a headland on the South Coast of NSW 400 feet above their source 100 feet below sea level several klms away. How did they get there except by the force of water?
Posted by Philo, Friday, 30 September 2005 4:04:19 PM
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