Incidentally, Big Nana? One or two sentences specific to the aged, is hardly rabbiting on!
And just where in any of my, [previous to your rabbiting on remark,] posts have I mentioned pensioners?
Well?
Perhaps if you replaced the verbal or skimming with actual reading?
Shakespeare would've mused, methinks thou dost protest too much!
Or to use the colloquial. Nudge nudge, wink, wink, say no more, a wink is as good a a nod to a blind horse!
Or in the words of another more Australian poet word smith, maybe you're just another big winker?
Rhrosty.

Was that lemon a bit sour Rhrosty? If so your last post reflects it.

Please explain just when a reduction in the increase of something became a cut. Most of these so called cuts that the lefties are screaming about, are just that.

The totally necessary winding back of all the unfunded forward spending Gillard/Rudd locked in to future budgets are not cuts. Spending on all these things will still continue to increase, but at an more affordable rate.

So Big Nana was right.

Oh, & show me where an increase in GST is shown in the budget. Blaming Abbott for something others suggest is a bit rich, even for the left.

Rather than attacking them, you should be pleased that some people have pensions from industry, funded by industry, it takes a load off the taxpayer. Of course you perhaps were talking about unfunded public service pensions. If so I could agree with that.

Then you go on to attack "Big Gina", for inherited wealth. I suppose you think her father should have given you his wealth, earned by hard work & savvy. Like most inheritors of great wealth, I'm sure you could have spent it quickly. Gina on the other hand turned a nice fortune into a huge fortune, also by hard work & savvy.

She provided plenty of jobs & enriched the country as she did so. I am under no false impression she did it for the country, but I am not GREEN with envy because she did, & I didn't.

So mate, that last post, dripping with envy as it is, is way beneath you. Get rid of that chip you have put on your shoulder, throw out those very sour lemons, & go back to talking your usual sense. The only people your last post will appeal to is those filled with hate for anyone who has done better than them. Not a nice look

Rhostry,I am sorry to disappoint you but I am not in the Gina class of pensioners. My sole income is my aged pension plus the family tax benefit I receive for the two grandchildren in my care. However, I live within my means. We have enough to feed and cloth us, to cover the costs for the roof over my head and the occasional treat. A reduction in a future increase may mean our treats become even more occasional, especially once I lose Family TX Benefit B, but compared to people in some other countries, we are rich.
I have never expected tax payers to keep me in wealth in my retirement. The aged pension, especially for people in public housing, is totally adequate to provide a reasonably comfortable life style, unless you have expensive habits, like smoking, drinking, gambling or fine dining etc.
People tend to forget that welfare, health and education costs are born by taxpayers. As one who paid taxes for 50 years, I can totally understand how today's workers would resent having to pay more and more tax on a welfare bill that increases daily. Especially when they see the way some welfare recipients spend that money.
Australia has the fastest growing debt of any developed country. We all need to tighten our belts a bit, and looking at the general population, losing some weight would be extremely beneficial.

Hasbeen:
I don't envy anyone, a complete waste of time!
I do however, call it as I see it, and that doesn't always please everyone?
Nobody likes having to look at themselves, as seen through the eyes of others; rather than the usual, often superior self delusion?
Nor do they always like frank and fearless advice!
I can remember reading somewhere. If you and your employee share the same view on almost everything, then one of you is clearly redundant!
And of the best lessons that management teaches; is, there is always a better way!
Almost all human progresses, has been achieved through, (sometimes robust) debate and the exchange of ideas!
I admire self made Lance Hancock tremendously, but not his daughter Gina, particularly, given her reported shameful treatment of her own family.
And thank you very much, for saying I usually make good sense!
High praise indeed, coming from your good self!

B.N. I thought tax a and b were tax breaks?
Meaning, one would have had to pay some income tax to get it back?
[We never had it when I was raising my own!]
Although I could be wrong and stand to be corrected?
My mother raised four of us, then made a home for two grandkids!
Not always that easy!
And those dear souls that take on that thankless task, particularly when they should be enjoying their retirement, have my undying admiration!
Incidentally, the only smokes I use these days, are those few cigars, that I receive at Christmas or on my B'day.
The only drink is a very occasional red wine for medicinal purposes, or a couple of very low alcohol beers at the one or two bar-b-ques I'm still invited to, along with a couple of million flies.
I don't mind the little peppery ones, but the bigger ones taste S.H.
The only cure for that, is a couple of fingers of single malt! That'll sanitize anything?
I bear no malice to anyone, nor do I envy those who have more wealth.
Life's just too short!
You'll have a nice day now, y'hear.
Rhrosty.

For once a good article followed largely with comments that offer and discuss, rightly or wrongly ideas and solutions. This has been a refreshing change from the monotonous drone of the political toadies, god botherer’s, narcissists and the ramblings of OUG. I particularly dip’s my lid to Rhrosty and also mikk.

I believe there is a building mood in the general population to do something; the problem is that there is no, ideological vehicle to carry the mood. Recent events I believe have made the red and blue team virtually redundant. The green and yellow team’s inherent baggage would not endear them to many looking for an alternative. Perhaps Ludwig observation “or something that has not even appeared” has merit?

The other major issue is the complex nature of the message represented in this thread. If a battle is fought on many fronts is allows the ability of those opposing to pick on the front that offers the least resistance. By doing so the whole message is distorted and confused and loses credibility.

Is there on thing, the irrevocable aspiration that the majority could hold on to in order to salvage “the fair go”?

Andrew

The sickening stench emanating from your mob attacking and bullying the Abbott women is far worse than the it your budgets flushed.

At the next election quite appropriarely many more of your mob will be flushed away.

These tactics of bullying and denigrating are typical of the juvenile antics of your average undergraduate rabble rouser and union thug.

Dung doesn't rise it just sits and festers.