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Climate change bias and the ethics of science : Comments

By Mal Fletcher, published 19/5/2014

Science is about posing questions and challenging existing models in order to arrive at better, well-tested paradigms.

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Another day another Anti-global warming post on OLO.The right lost it's fight over creationism ( though some still want to fight) so now they have a new flag to rally around. In the end they will loose one too. There is only way way this war on reality can go, as science sends more light on our understanding the more the dogmatic right will have to fall back.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Monday, 19 May 2014 2:31:29 PM
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Luci, the Arctic has rebounded and sea ice has increased since the 2012 low point:

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/Sea_Ice_Extent_v2_L.png

And as I said to ant the lowest point in Arctic sea ice was in 1974.

cobber the mutt turns up with his usual rubbish and compares sceptics to creationists. This is most ironic since it is the alarmists who rely on received knowledge and treat it as gospel. In fact it is the alarmists who have a faith based belief in AGW.

Bad boy cobber; back to your kennel.
Posted by cohenite, Monday, 19 May 2014 4:00:35 PM
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"However, as I once respectfully pointed out to the then head of BBC Religion (TV), Sir David constantly presents a worldview which assumes that there is little place for Christian faith in the world of reliable science." Mal Fletcher

Cohenite its important you understand who your bed follows are, this is an issue where motiveation often overrides facts.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Monday, 19 May 2014 4:53:39 PM
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Oh cohenite, you are such a chump. You are only embarrassing yourself now.

I can claim a logical fallacy bingo from your posts.

First there is a version of “appeal to consequences”
Secondly there is an “ad hominem”
Thirdly there is “Cherry picking”
Fourthly there is a “straw man”
Fifthly there is “Hasty generalisation”

But the real problem with Bengsston’s paper is:

“One cannot and should not simply interpret the IPCCs ranges for AR4 or 5 as confidence intervals or pdfs and hence they are not directly comparable to observation based intervals (as e.g. in Otto et al).”

http://ioppublishing.org/newsDetails/statement-from-iop-publishing-on-story-in-the-times

That is, the whole premise of the argument was wrong. That is why it was rejected.

But I see cohenite just can’t resist cherry picking. I suppose when you don’t have any real data in support of your argument cherry picking is all you have left. So sea ice extent is recovering, because 2013 was higher than 2012 in a notoriously variable data set? What a joke.

Just to illustrate: September ice extent comparisons from 1978 to 2013 http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2013/10/Figure3_Sept2013_trend-350x261.png
Current spring sea ice extent comparing 2014 with the record low year of 2012. http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries_thumb.png

Oh dear it does look like cohenite’s claim that sea ice has rebounded will be proven wrong. But then that is what we have come to expect from cohenite.
Posted by Agronomist, Monday, 19 May 2014 5:19:19 PM
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Cato, I predict that the economy can grow, if we roll out cheaper than coal, thorium power.
Which as very localized power options, could more than halve current power charges; but only as publicly owned, income earning, virtually self funded projects!
I mean, the great white elephant called the national grid, looses halve the power generated, in transmission losses!
Who do you think pays for those losses, the insanely altruistic, price gouging, debt laden, foreign owners, or money hungry state authorities, with too many hands in the till?
I also predict, if we put a million dollars a ton on carbon, nobody would need to pay so much as a centavo; if we just included a cap, which could be current emission!
People could earn some tax breaks however, if they lowered their carbon output, with proven claims!
When should we start?
After some of the ice on Antarctica melts, like a collapsing dam wall, releasing a huge body (lake) of fresh water, enough to raise sea levels by around three metres!
If that occurs, as it could, I predict the Cato's of this world will whinge loud and often, with!
Why weren't we told, endless complaining!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Monday, 19 May 2014 6:21:24 PM
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An interesting American article which is about people effected by climate change are seeking compensation through the Court system.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/05/19/3439048/insurance-climate-class-action-flood/

During 2014 and late 2013, the US has been experiencing weather anomalies throughout the country. They have experienced snow where snow has not been experienced, in other areas they have been experiencing drought and bushfires, elsewhere there have been severe floods, in Alaska high temperatures have resulted in permafrost melt and lack of protective ice along coastlines.

Professor Lesack has reviewed temperatures in relation to the McKenzie River for decades (from 1958) and found winter temperature have risen over 5 degrees celsius and Spring temperatures over 3 degrees celsius.
The Arctic has been described as the canary of climate change.

Those who disagree that climate change is happening try every avenue possible to slow the process of accepting climate change to allow for proper planning. In the meantime, fossil fuel mining continues increasing CO2 to be dispersed in the atmosphere and waterways. Ph levels are changing in waterways becoming more acidic and scientists are able to identify sources of CO2 in the atmosphere through the assessed isotopes.

So really, complaining about whether a paper has been accepted or not by a reputable journal is nit picking against a climate that is changing. There needs to be a strong belief that climate change is occurring for litigation to take place to gain compensation for damage done.
Fossil fuel mining companies have used SLAPP type legal cases to seek to silence climate scientists without much success.
Posted by ant, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 7:19:40 AM
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