The National Forum   Donate   Your Account   On Line Opinion   Forum   Blogs   Polling   About   
The Forum - On Line Opinion's article discussion area



Syndicate
RSS/XML


RSS 2.0

Main Articles General

Sign In      Register

The Forum > Article Comments > Seeking refuge > Comments

Seeking refuge : Comments

By Guy Hallowes, published 2/5/2014

There is going to be a massive increase in the number of people just looking for a safe place to live.

  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. All
An excellent article. This is the sort of story that is ignored by our idiot media. If only a political party that was prepared to face such simple realities existed.
Posted by Syd., Friday, 2 May 2014 9:25:20 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Wow, thanks for that Guy, a very timely article.

It most certainly is a great warning that we must be sure we are well armed, to repel the coming invasions.

If these people were worth having they would go home & fight for their own country, & make something worth having, rather than go sponging off everyone else.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 2 May 2014 12:34:23 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
<<There is going to be a massive increase in the number of people just looking for a safe place to live>>

Yep. I'll bet there will be lot more like this guy:

<<A convicted Nigerian criminal has been charged with running a drug importation ring from Villawood Detention Centre...His arrest comes after he recently served more than six years in jail for aiding the importation of 1.87 kilograms of cocaine concealed in children’s books from New Zealand to Australia.>>

BUT GET THIS BIT!

<<Mr Nweke was recently released on parole and won an appeal against his deportation in 2011 after a tribunal found he needed to stay in Australia to look after his three children.The Administrative Appeals Tribunal overturned the immigration department's decision to cancel his visa, stating that Mr Nweke had, “excellent prospects for a full rehabilitation and of not reoffending”.>>

What was that figure that gets banded about re 97% of claimants being found *genuine* after appeal? With a Tribunal like that is there any wonder? LOL

There must be notices all over the scam sites now: "Come on down (to Oz)have we got a deal for you --or was that, have you got a deal for us?

PS Bet ya he satisfies Crossomby's criteria-- quote: << we should welcome economic migrants …because they have an incentive to achieve. >>
See here: <<[He was] charged with running a drug importation ring from Villawood Detention Centre using nothing but a smart phone>>

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nigerian-criminal-allegedly-operates-drug-ring-out-of-villawood-20140501-zr2g7.html#ixzz30Wr9A8ZA
Posted by SPQR, Friday, 2 May 2014 2:39:46 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
With three separate shootings in one night in the "Muslim" areas of Sydney last Wednesday, Guy, some of those refugees looking for a safe haven are your own Australian people who are fleeing their suburbs with large Muslim infestations, because they no longer feel safe.

In Australia, Guy, the welfare of Australians comes first. Care about your own before you worry about foreigners, Guy. Too many of whom have been given succour here and have repaid our humanity with welfare abuse, drug trafficking, and violent criminal behaviour.
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 2 May 2014 7:06:33 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
We all know of the success of Bob Geldof's "Save the Children" Campaign. Where are these children now?

Hijacking ships off the Horn of Africa.
Planning to kill as many Infidels as they can.
Running with Jihad Gangs killing as many of their own people as they can if they don't join the Jihad.
Running protection rackets in the Horn of Africa.
Breeding like rabbits so there are more children to be saved by Western Charities.

The only solution is to say to the Arab Countries, "You look after your own people. The West is not going to pay the Jizyah Tax anymore."
Posted by Jayb, Saturday, 3 May 2014 10:03:01 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
I don't know; the population crisis is not so much about numbers but systems; prosperous free societies don't have population problems; religious tyrannies do and so does Africa divided into both religious and tribal conflicts.

So, first and foremost you have to call a spade a spade and note that tribalism and religiosity are the culprits.

If immigrants bring their tribalism and religiosity to their new country that is just shuffling deck chairs; and good luck critiquing Islam and black refugees.
Posted by cohenite, Saturday, 3 May 2014 11:22:21 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
On the contrary, Cohenite. You have it back to front. The overpopulation leads to competition over resources. Religion and ethnicity make good rallying points and excuses when people are joining up sides. This is pretty clear in the case of the Rwandan genocide.

http://www.du.edu/korbel/hrhw/volumes/2002/2-1/magnarella2-1.pdf

"Hutu and Tutsi lived together relatively peacefully prior to the mid-nineteenth century, a time when their total population was comparatively low (probably less than two million, versus over seven million in 1993) and land supply for both Hutu farmers and Tutsi cattle grazers was ample. With rapid population growth in the twentieth century, the situation changed. Rwanda was faced with a critical food-people-land imbalance...

"Because of their historically different modes of ecological adaptation—Hutu horticulture and Tutsi cattle pastoralism—within the context of a society over 90 per cent agrarian, a rapidly growing rural population, no significant employment alternatives, and diminishing food production and consumption per capita, the Hutu and Tutsi became “natural competitors. Those Tutsi still engaged in cattle pastoralism wanted open ranges to graze their herds. In direct opposition, landless Hutu wanted those very lands, marginal as they may have been for agriculture, to build homesteads on and to farm.

"By flight or death of more than half of Rwanda’s Tutsi population from the early 1960s to 1973, vast tracts of land in the eastern region were freed up for Hutu settlement and cultivation. The political elites exploited these developments, which appeared to prove that Hutu farmers could have sufficient land if the Tutsi were eliminated. By the mid-1980s, population increases had again outstripped the amount of cultivable land. Farmers’ attempts to increase food production by double and triple-cropping their dwindling plots resulted in soil exhaustion. Foreign technical experts could do little to help farmers; the problem was the increasing imbalance of the land:people ratio..."

cont'd
Posted by Divergence, Saturday, 3 May 2014 1:42:59 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
cont'd

"There were few employment alternatives to farming. The country’s major employer was the government. In the late 1980s, the central government was employing 7,000 people and the local governments 43,000. By law, only nine per cent of these employees could be Tutsi. Eliminating the Tutsi would open up 4,500 more government jobs for Hutu. Because the country had no social security program, the thousands of unemployed young people who entered the job market each year lived on the very margins of survival. Many became easy subjects for recruitment and manipulation."
Posted by Divergence, Saturday, 3 May 2014 1:44:53 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Divergence did I not mention tribalism?

Look at a population growth map of the world and where population growth is greatest; Africa and is Muslim nations and particularly in Muslim populations in Western nations.

I might add a great barrier to reduced population growth is AGW and green policies generally which prevent cheap reliable energy going to the third world and discouraging third world agriculture through biofuel production.
Posted by cohenite, Saturday, 3 May 2014 3:04:54 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Hello Guy,

That's a very good article. Recently I saw some census data for Iraq. Its population has risen from about 5 million in 1950 to over 33 million in 2013. That estimate was partly based on their last census in 1997. That's a 6 fold increase and not only is it high in absolute figures but the rate of population growth is also increasing. I also tried to get census data for Burma but according to the UN the last census for that country was in 1980.

I agree with much of your article. I think most of the conflicts now are population related and perhaps Rwanda can be regarded as the start of an era where most conflict is over food and water rather than politics or religion. I recently spoke to a Bangladeshi who told me how bad things are in his country with its population somewhere around 160 million and his answer to the problem was to migrate to Australia. All this achieves is the transfer of the problem from one country to another because his thinking hasn't changed.

I have long since tuned-out of the refugee debate for the same reasons are you list in your article. It has morphed into an issue focusing on symptoms rather than causes. Allowing refugees to gradually recreate in the Australia the conditions they fled from is a more important issue than how they arrive and the low status of women is one of those conditions.
Posted by Farquhar, Saturday, 3 May 2014 3:43:01 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
"Allowing refugees to gradually recreate in the Australia the conditions they fled from is a more important issue than how they arrive and the low status of women is one of those conditions."

Correct.

Islam regards women as portable wombs as do many of the tribalised cultures of Africa. It used to be that Catholics produced babies but now its Islam and the 'dark' continent

Since the West is grovelling towards Islam and accommodating its sharia demands the point about immigrants simply bringing their problems with them is a real issue.

Prosperity and the liberation of women are the key elements. But since the left in the West, including the feminists, are complete cowards when it comes to Islam and black culture nothing is going to change
Posted by cohenite, Saturday, 3 May 2014 5:30:14 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Let's make some comparisons to figure out why some countries are poor and some are rich. Let's compare Tanks.

"Rich" Australia. 57 M1 Abrams tanks.
"Poor" The Phillipines 400 M1 Abrams tanks.
"Poor" Egypt 1000 M1 Abrams tanks
"Poor" Greece" 100 M1 Abrams tanks, 300 more on order.

Could it be said that the reason why so many countries are dirt poor is because their cultural values are no good, they won't control their population growth, they seem to despise enterprise, and they spend more on defence than we do, even though they can't afford it.

Why should Australia then be the recipient of their unwanted population growths?
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 4 May 2014 8:38:39 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Guy,
Excellent article, this is the most critical issue on earth now. The world, including Australia, is grossly overpopulated.
Australia should set an example and reduce population to six million people which is all that can be supported without profligate resource use. This could be easily done by eliminating immigration and discontinuing all incentives to reproduce.
The era of countries exporting their surplus population is over.
Posted by Imperial, Sunday, 4 May 2014 11:34:44 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
We should put out the welcome mat for economic migrants; namely, non voting, self funded retirees.
Self funded retirees, would pay some tax, and pay for their own healthcare, via decent health insurance.
They don't compete with young Australia, for jobs, but add to the level of service provision jobs.
Once they pass on to their greater rewards, there will be additional housing and infrastructure, their dollars would have essentially paid for.
They will add a level of discretionary spending, we wouldn't have to first fund, and provide sustainable economic stimulus, not paid for, via the national economy.
Their Rallies will swell the tourist ranks, as they visit their parents or grandparents.
The more agile and able, could be allowed to prop up their income levels as fruit pickers etc, given there is not enough Australians, vying for those jobs!
And as temporary Australians, they will not contribute to population explosions, but still add all the benefits of a larger, tax paying demographic!
But only if we use the brains we were born with, and completely reform our tax system, to eliminate all avoidance and parasitical unproductive practices! [Read my other posts to see how this could be done! No ifs buts or maybes!
We will need to completely reform the way we produce and reticulate power, or back in our own (public) hands, to quite dramatically downsize prices or current price gouging!?
The end of the ultra costly white elephant national grid and cheaper than coal thorium and or copious NG, providing more localized competitive power?
Gas companies could compete for greater market share, via individual household ceramic fuel cells, (hire purchase?) .
The world's lowest tax system, coupled to the worlds lowest energy charges, (All very doable), will have them queuing to relocate here!
Neither power provision system produces any or very much carbon! Gas powered ceramic cells, with an unbeatable 80% energy coefficient, also produce endlessly free hot water!
And more than one real service provider option, will act to force bare to the bone prices?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Sunday, 4 May 2014 11:36:01 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
A very depressing article.
With numbers like that I can see no alternative for Australia to
confront those that arrive illegally with immediate return if they
came by air & if by boat be told turn back or you will be sunk.

Pretty grim isn't it but what would be the alternative.
However I can see a great complication to this whole scenario and that
is a big increase in fuel prices and its affect on food production that
will cause world wide starvation.
A side effect of the crash that will coincide with that will be massive
unenployment and a very large increase in subsidence farming and the
land shortage will cause many Rwanda situations to erupt.

Very grim indeed
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 4 May 2014 11:21:03 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
To Divergence.

In the year 1000 AD, Britain had a population of 5 million which was facing mass starvation in the years ahead. You could say that Britain was overpopulated in 1000AD because people living at subsistence level need a lot of land. The problem was the lack of advanced farming methods that can extract much more from a small plot, not a lack of land.

Today, all of Africa knows about advanced farming methods, but they do not have the intelligence to use them. Their political and social systems are so backward that they can not emulate the advanced western societies that create wealth and can produce abundant food. In addition, they just keep on breeding. Western and advanced Asian societies would have negative population growths if it were not for immigration. Population growth today is almost entirely within those countries which can least afford to have high population growths. Don't tell me that these countries can not afford birth control. Shiploads of condoms have been shipped to Africa by WHO but African men will not use them. With AIDS out of control in most third world countries, this is just another glaring example that these people as races, are not real bright.

Simply transposing African, South American and Middle Eastern people into advanced societies will not only cause social and financial strife in those countries, it will eventually lead to their total destruction as advanced societies.

Take Rhodesia (nobody else wants it). Rhodesia under the whites was known as "the breadbasket of Africa." The blacks tossed the whites off the land, and the blacks are now starving to death. Most agriculture today in this country has reverted to subsistence level. One black politician was quoted in the media as saying it would be a "good thing" for a million or so "Zimbabweans" to starve to death because "Zimbabwe" was overpopulated. "Zimbabwe" was not "overpopulated" when the whites ran the place.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 3:51:45 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
LEGO,

Overpopulation is always relative to the technology at the time. I am not a Cornucopian optimist, however, because unlike the situation in the 1960s, when the problem was really just low agricultural productivity, we are doing serious damage to our environmental life support systems on a number of fronts. See for example this paper from Nature, probably our top peer-reviewed science journal, which discusses many of them together

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v461/n7263/full/461472a.html

open version:

http://www.ecologyandsociety.org/vol14/iss2/art32/

From the quote in my previous post, however, even the best of modern agricultural technology wasn't enough to help Rwanda.

Why do you blame race rather than culture? American blacks have a total fertility rate (TFR) at about replacement level. Barbados, a black country, and the Seychelles, where blacks comprise the largest ethnic group, are both on the UN's Very High Human Development list.

There is really nothing that we can do about overpopulation and other forms of mismanagement elsewhere in the world. Foreigners live and want to live in independent countries. They don't have to pay any attention to what we think. The only dysfunctional culture that you have any hope of changing is your own. Intervening often makes a bad situation worse. Any parent can tell you that shielding people from the consequences of bad decisions is the best way to get more of them.
Posted by Divergence, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 1:09:32 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. All

About Us :: Search :: Discuss :: Feedback :: Legals :: Privacy