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Socialism is an archaic and regressive behaviour : Comments

By David Archibald, published 22/4/2014

The big civilizational jump which allowed humanity to leave our hardwired-for-socialism past was the development of agriculture.

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Well put Valley Guy...
Posted by cornonacob, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 11:51:38 AM
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This article has it all backward.

It is impossible for the human race to throw off the natural tendency to co-operate, (a trait accumulated over 5,990,000 years of our struggle before agriculture), without resorting to the vicious propaganda so aptly described by Alex Carey and Noam Chomsky in their published work.

Carey's work is published as Taking the Risk out of Democracy. Some of those posting are obvious victims of the indoctrination.

The most successful existing societies in the OECD are listed in a German study completed and published in 2011. On eight measures of social justice (well-being) the leading six are Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and The Netherlands.

Finland doesn't lead because it allows children aged below seven to play rather than start their education but then overtakes the others in the education stakes. Those leading countries are ones where co-operation leads the way.

That paragon on competitive "Christian" conservatism, the USA rates 27th of thirty-one countries only ahead of Greece, Chile, Mexico and Turkey.See;
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/opinion/blow-americas-exploding-pipe-dream.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha212
http://www.sgi-network.org/pdf/SGI11_Social_Justice_OECD.pdf

runner as usual ignores the extensive evidence for evolution even though he lives on a 4.5 billion year old planet containing the remnants of the collapse of an earlier sun.
Posted by Foyle, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 11:58:12 AM
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The difference between socialism and co-operation. Socialism is compulsory co-operation is optional and of a higher moral value.
Posted by imajulianutter, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 12:13:10 PM
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I'll tell you what's outdated, David Archibald's understanding of the way human beings developed.
For one thing,agriculture didn't just "appear" 10,000 years ago, Europeans were managing the land domesticating animals for millennia before that.
It's now been shown that Neanderthals could and did speak and could have used language for far longer than was previously thought so the assertion that language "appeared" 50,000 years ago is also incorrect.
Then there's the idea of monogamy vs polygyny, that the one is more "advanced" than the other when in reality it's more a racial trait than anything else. Consider this, it's now thought that interbreeding between what's understood as "modern" humans and archaic hominids such as Neanderthals and Denisovans had dramatic effects on the fitness of the offspring. One explanation of the peculiar DNA discrepancies between the sexes and races is that such pairings produced mostly infertile female children so most proto-Eurasian men would have been lucky to have one wife, let alone be able to attract multiple sexual partners. We also have some evidence and folkloric traditions of Eurasian male war bands raiding other groups in order to take their women, the "Rape of the Sabines" is one story many educated people would be familiar with. Might we take a Darwinian approach and speculate that along with the other factors contributing to female mortality in ancient times that fertile Eurasian women were in very short supply until the archaic human DNA was diluted to the point that the effects of the admixture on genetic fitness were no longer a significant handicap?
Europeans and Asians developed in the middle East as a result of this hybridisation and spread out from there, we're not Africans who faded due to our "sitting in the rain drinking beer and eating oats for millennia" as the "Progressives" would say,comparing African R type and Eurasian K type reproductive strategies is pointless and renders the whole premise of this article null and void.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 12:48:21 PM
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‘morning David,

I enjoyed your article enormously, thank you.

Nothing like starting the day off with a few home truths and just a dash of provocation.

<< Socialists are jealous, less-productive apes by comparison. That, and being throw-backs.>>

I couldn’t have put it better myself.

Do you mean by this that socialists base their ideology on the politics of “envy”, always talking about how the rich have too much money, big banks, big oil ,big miners and self funded retirees?

Do you mean by “less productive” that they tend to be from the elite classes that produce very little national wealth, like humanities academics, political elites, trade union officials, the left wing media, eco NGO’s, Greens, deep Greens, Marxists, Communists and progressives?

When you say “throw backs”, do you mean all those who subscribe to regressive policies that try to take society back to the dark ages where socialist intellect is more at home?

You will note that on OLO we have some doctrinaire socialists whose sole response is to dispense a sound flogging by rhetoric.

One of my favorites is “cornonacob”.

As a first responder his post was a string of disconnected rhetoric finished of with a platitude. He walked off quite contented in the belief that he had actually contributed something intelligent.

Many on OLO have developed a much deeper understanding of the progressive mentality, their repetitive tactics and adopted opinions are legendary. The point has now been reached where we can respond with ridicule. We do this because there is no substance to their mantra and ridicule is one of the few remaining responses.

There will be a great many “squawking” and “gnashing of teeth” responses to your article from the left. Nothing of any intellectual depth of course, but entertaining and predictable.
Posted by spindoc, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 12:50:35 PM
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"Also importantly, success was directly proportional to effort. This was the beginning of private property, capital formation, division of labour and all the other good things that led to the level of civilisation we enjoy now."

Nonsense, all those developments benefited only a tiny warrior or theocratic elite, sometimes nearly 90% or more of the population were either slaves or serfs, without social democracy that situation would still prevail.

@cornonacob,

"this would be funny as a spoof maybe..'

yes indeed, it's not April 1st so the author must be serious.
Posted by mac, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 1:38:00 PM
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