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Palestine: Kerry can’t keep kidding himself : Comments

By David Singer, published 8/4/2014

Redrawing Jordan’s international boundary with Israel to restore the status quo existing before the outbreak of the 1967 Six Day War provides a realistically achievable alternative to the doomed Israel-PLO negotiations.

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4. "It was only the provisions of the Mandate relating to the reconstitution of the Jewish National Home in Palestine that were “postponed or withheld” in Transjordan under article 25 of the Mandate – as this Note presented by the Secretary General to the League of Nations clearly stated":
The Note to which you referred to did not mention what you claim.

"The seeds for an independent Jew-free Arab State"...In Nazmi Jubeh's words: “I think that slogans are not useful and do not explain the complexity of things. Any Jew who wants to live in our community, following the rules which this entails, must be free to do so. It’s quite a different story, however, to request that the settlers who arrived here by force and in defiance of international law can ipso facto be entitled to see their actions justified. In other words, those who want to live in a future Palestinian state must do so under the law and not as colonialists. When Israel was created, the Palestinians were already here, and accounted for the vast majority of the local population. This is why there are now over one million Palestinians in Israel, many of whom are known as ‘internally displaced persons’ [IDPs]. In constrast to this, settlers arrived in the Palestinian territories through violence and incentives received in recent years from Israeli governments. Equating the former to the latter is not only simplistic, but also morally reprehensible.”
Posted by shmuel_du, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 5:38:56 PM
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Singer has an article here every week. Is this a Zionist site ?
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 6:44:46 AM
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Dearest Singer

Even our (that means Australia's) former Foreign Minister has problems with mouthpieces of Israeli foreign policy:

ABC News, April 9, 2014 reports http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-09/bob-carr-lashes-out-at-melbourne-pro-israel-lobby/5379074 :

"Former foreign minister Bob Carr says 'pro-Israel lobby' influenced government policy"

"Former foreign minister Bob Carr has hit out at what he calls the "pro-Israel lobby in Melbourne", saying it wielded "extraordinary influence" on Australia's policy during his time in Julia Gillard's cabinet.

Speaking to ABC's 7.30 program, Mr Carr said "extreme right wing" pro-Israel lobbyists had an "unhealthy" influence on Australia's policy towards Israel and the Occupied Territories.

Mr Carr details his time as foreign minister, and his criticism of the pro-Israel lobby, in his new book, Diary of a Foreign Minister.

"I found it very frustrating that we couldn't issue, for example, a routine expression of concern about the spread of Israeli settlements on the West Bank - great blocks of housing for Israeli citizens going up on land that everyone regards as part of the future Palestinian state if there is to be a two-state solution," he said.

"The important point about a diary of a foreign minister is you shine light on areas of government that are otherwise in darkness, and the influence of lobby groups is one of those areas.

"What I've done is to spell out how the extremely conservative instincts of the pro-Israel lobby in Melbourne was exercised through the then-prime minister's office.

"I had to resist it, and my book tells the story of that resistance, coming to a climax when there was a dispute on the floor of caucus about my recommendation that we we don't block the Palestinian bid for increased non-state status at the United Nations.""

Take note :)

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 9:02:59 PM
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#Shmuel_du (alias # shmuel , alias #Shmuel Pietra, alias #du Kium)

This is the fourth identical posting by you on four different web sites under four different aliases in response to this article.

Quite frankly I wonder why you have to go to such extraordinary lengths to conceal your identity. Why don't you come clean and tell us who you really are and give us your credentials to make the comments you have.

Are you part of the Jordanian propaganda machine in seeking to deny Jordan has any responsibility for resolving the problem it created when it invaded the West Bank and occupied it for 20 years from 1948-1967?

I have published the following response elsewhere to your comments and repeat it for the benefit of On Line Opinion readers:

"1. You claim the PLO Charter is irrelevant – although the PLO is the sole spokesman for the Palestinian Arabs.

2. You claim that the PLO Charter only applied to the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean – which is not supported by article 2 of the Charter.

If you are correct – please explain why Arafat tried to take over Jordan in 1970.

3. You ignore statements by Arab leaders such as Arafat, Abu Iyad, King Abdullah 1, the PNC Council and King Hussein averring that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.

4. You claim the Note from the Secretary General to the League of Nations did not mention what I claim – although I quoted the Note verbatim.

5. You claim that the Mandate was a joint mandate comprised of two states. This is rubbish. There were no states in existence until 1946. Under Article 5 of the Mandate:
“Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of, the Government of any foreign Power. ”

The path to a peaceful resolution of the competing claims to sovereignty in the West Bank lies in direct negotiations between Israel and Jordan – the two successor States to the Mandate for Palestine."
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 10 April 2014 3:42:45 PM
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Hi David Singer

Slightly off topic. We can probably agree that Israel has a nuclear arsenal and needs it.

For the record Phillip Dorling for The Canberra Times, April 15, 2014, reported http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-still-denies-israels-open-secret-of-a-nuclear-arsenal-20140414-36nr4.html :

"Australia still denies Israel's open secret of a nuclear arsenal"

"Secret government files reveal that Australian governments, diplomats and spies have known for more than 30 years that Israel has an arsenal of nuclear weapons, while continuing to deny any knowledge of its existence to the point of misleading Parliament.

Previously secret diplomatic files declassified by the National Archives reveal a longstanding policy to turn a blind eye to Israel's nuclear arsenal. Last week the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade again declined to comment on whether the Australian government thinks Israel is an undeclared nuclear weapons state.

Foreign Affairs Department briefing papers prepared for former Labor foreign minister Bill Hayden in 1987 state that ''intelligence assessments are that Israel has a small arsenal of nuclear weapons (possibly about 20). Israel's technological capabilities would enable it confidently to deploy such weapons without recourse to a nuclear test.

In a confidential exchange with International Atomic Energy Agency chief Hans Blix on September 22, 1987, Mr Hayden ''commented that there appeared no doubt that Israel had nuclear weapons''.

Mr Hayden and Dr Blix were talking against the backdrop of the treason trial of Mordechai Vanunu, the Israeli nuclear technician who in 1986 disclosed detailed evidence of Israel's nuclear weapons production. The Foreign Affairs Department advised Mr Hayden to publicly deny knowledge of Israel's nuclear weapons capabilities. Mr Hayden told Parliament on September 17, 1987: ''We have no information to corroborate these allegations.''

MORE TO FOLLOW BELOW
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 5:17:54 PM
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http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-still-denies-israels-open-secret-of-a-nuclear-arsenal-20140414-36nr4.html

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"However, Foreign Affairs' files, declassified in response to applications by Fairfax Media, reveal that Australia had been monitoring Israel's nuclear program from its beginnings in the 1950s.

Australia scooped US and British intelligence when in 1966 its Atomic Energy Commission obtained ''highly sensitive'' information from the French builders of Israel's Dimona nuclear facility, revealing the existence of a chemical processing plant to extract plutonium from spent reactor fuel.

By 1970 Australia's Joint Intelligence Organisation thought ''Israel could have some weapons''.

Australian policy remains unchanged, with the Abbott government deciding last October not to support a UN General Assembly resolution on nuclear proliferation in the Middle East - 169 countries voted for the resolution. Only five - the US, Israel, Canada, Palau and the Federated States of Micronesia - voted against. Australia abstained.
Former foreign minister Professor Gareth Evans has long been closely engaged with nuclear disarmament issues. Last month he publicly described Israel as one of ''nine nuclear-armed states'' committed to the ''indefinite retention'' of their arsenals.

On Monday Professor Evans declined to explain why Australia had not acknowledged the existence of an Israeli nuclear weapons program, saying only: ''The whole world hasn't acknowledged it. I mean, this is the strange thing, but that's another story for another day." ENDS

My comment is that Australia would do well to join the US, Israel, Canada, Palau and the Federated States of Micronesia in actually voting against the UN's regular General Assembly resolution on nuclear proliferation in the Middle East, rather than Australia only abstaining.

Regards

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 5:24:06 PM
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