The ABC Fact Check unit relies on 'experts' that have extensive links with the Wilderness Society, despite also being engaged by the Government to independently verify the Wilderness society claims.

The ABC fact check unit did not question their claims of only considering industrial logging from 1960's to dispute the Prime Minister's statement. Tasmania has had a logging industry since settlement, first with manual convict labour, and then powered sawmills. Places like Recherche, the Picton, Esperance, the Weld, and the Huon.

For the a key part of the WHA extension, industry was present well before 1960. The Derwent Valley Paper Company was established in 1931 and soon developed and used timber resources from the upper Derwent and Florentine Valleys. This company was absorbed by Australian Newsprint Mills Limited when that company was registered in Tasmania in March 1938.

Construction of a mill at Boyer, on the banks of the Derwent River and downstream from New Norfolk, commenced in August 1939, just before the outbreak of the Second World War, and that complex was completed within eighteen months. The first paper was produced in February 1941, at a time when the war had resulted in a severe shortage of paper in Australia. An historical account together with a map of the concession area can be accesed at http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/sites/default/files/shado/Learned%20Groups/Interest%20Groups/Engineering%20Heritage/Register/Boyer%20Newsprint%20Mill%20Nomination.pdf The map on page 2 covers the Upper florentine, the Styx, wyld's Crag and Butler's Gorge.

A video of the the type of harvesting ignored by the ABC in their rush to discredit the Prime minister is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW4kcuUvsJk

Thank you Mark for your article on this. For those of us connected to the industry in Tasmania this Fact Check failure is a major insult that can only be repaired by a full and proper retraction and explanation of the real facts.
We then need a an explanation of how the Liberal government is not going far enough, and how the 2013 WHA extension is illegitimate, and based on fraud and corruption by a network of academics who are also green activists who deceived by misrepresentation of the facts and who deceived by omission.
I suggest there needs to be a review of who is occupying seats on the Australian branch of the IUCN, and how they are contributing to the international embarrassment of Australia, and how they are bringing the UN, UNESCO and the World Heritage Centre into disrepute.

FACT CHECKING WONT EXPOSE BIAS
MORE FOR ABC TO IGNORE

FROM

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16191&page=0

WHERE THIS LINK WAS REFERENCED
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130301122256.htm

ITS A Complete fraud..but thats how govt declare war onb its kids
FOR REVENUE RAISING..its pathetic..aunty sells us out/and i cant reply even for 20 hours/post limits

but heck..lets lay it at abc feet
see if abc even notes it/they sure helped set the lies in place

abc is a DISGRACE

setting it up..a study was quoted
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130301122256.htm

<<..New study shows cannabis effects on driving skills>>

WRONG/MISLEADING....
a DELIBERATE LIE/read on..THINK WHY?

<<..In this paper, 30 male chronic daily cannabis smokers resided on a secure research unit for up to 33 days, with daily blood collection.>>

ie locked up in jail..or prison..or phyc unit or qunatonimo bay for all we know

please/mote
no mention..of measuring..'driving'..skills
[thats not what this fraud exposes..its what it was turned into

so..what/was really tested

<<..These results demonstrate,..[for the first time]>>

lol first time my butt..pure..[RUBBISH]
but lets calm down..and read on..

IMPORTANT

<<..that cannabinoids..*can be detected in blood of..*chronic daily cannabis smokers..*during a month of sustained..*abstinence.>>

ie locked-up/IN JAIL/INSTITUTION
IE non driving..

yet..here is summery

<<..Cannabis is second only to alcohol..for causing impaired driving and motor vehicle accidents...>>

of the tested causes..
[eg..prescribed meds wernt tested]

further if its in our blood for 30 days..and no other cause/was tested/report is biased..but more is this misleads that which actually was tested[they tested..cannAbinoids..after abstinence..ie.not driving skills/impairment

further..the research bias source.isn't noted
ie 99%..of the tests showed booze..1%..cannabis
[but only booze and cannabis was tested for..[

so yES IT CAME IN SECOND]..BY Design
in a two test biased..disgrace

further fraud/expose..CONTINUES

again/note what WAS tested..wasnt driving skill
wasn't coming in second..but measured cannabis without smoking

[please note vegetable intake not mentioned..5 vegetables HAVE CANNABINOIDS[POTATO/TOMATO/LETTUCE]..SO IF THEY ATE THEM..THATS WHAT WAS BEING MEASURED.and dont think they noted that

but worse..they found a way..to include kids
[note/no age MENTIONED..

<<..In 2009,..12.8% of young adults..>>
BUT NO DOUDT 1ST YEAR.DRIVERS[THESE THINGS USUALY DONE..IN SCHOOLS.

]SELF.<<../reported driving under the influence..of illicit drugs>>

Failing to name any/but the new drugs of choice are not cannabis
yet here we are/how pathetically one eyed

<<.and in..the 2007 National Roadside Survey...*more drivers tested positive for drugs..than for alcohol.>>

again drugs
not cannabis

yet somehow/the flip is made..

<<. These cannabis smokers had a 10-fold increase in car crash injury..>>

who were we compared to..boozers>/the clear and present danger/..no

<<.compared with infrequent or nonusers>>

then note this..<<..after adjustment>>..
yeah/adjustment for what..booze?

<<..after adjustment for blood alcohol concentration.>>

its pathetic/the lies needed

so what was really
tested?

<<..New research appearing online today in Clinical Chemistry, the journal of AACC, shows that cannabis can be detected in the blood of daily smokers for a month after last intake.>>>

were salad eaters excluded?

<<..The scientific data in this paper by Bergamaschi et al. can provide real help in the public safety need for a drugged driving policy that reduces the number of drugged driving accidents on the road.>>

by avoiding testing/or mentioning testing 'impared driving skills'

again with the spin/unrelated..to/the actual info tested

<<>Cannabis is second only to alcohol..>>

because prescribed drug driving is ok/or\.of no concern
GOVT EVEN pays for..'them'..then even protects/..them..[not us]

ts pathetic/..*..\..its..abc..fatcat/fact checking

FACT-check..yea..i know..ITS A JOKE

Easy to think that the original topic has been lost in this blog. Returning to the site after a brief absence I see unchallenged statements from contributors that more lost in the wilderness than the ABC Fact Check Unit. For example, Mark Poynter is still lost when he responds that "It virtually goes without saying that proposing to delist forest from this area (Tasmanian Wilderness World Heritage Area) because they are not appropriate within a Wilderness WHA" is an absurd proposition, and I think you know it, because those areas were not added to the WHA because of wilderness values in the first place. Do your research and check the nomination document instead of peddling this nonsense about wilderness being a prerequisite for inclusion in this WHA or indeed any other. It is not and you well know that so why peddle this political nonsense.

Let me say it again, wilderness condition is not a prerequisite for inclusion in the Tasmanian Wilderness WHA any more than being rainforest is a prerequisite for being a part of Gondwana Rainforest World Heritage Area and being a reef to be part of the Great Barrier Reef WHA. It is just an identifier that reflects a core theme.

Cinders equally is lost in the wilderness of misinformation created by Poynter, blindly repeating that "For an area to be part of the Tasmanian Wilderness World Heritage Area it first has to be wilderness" And that misrepresentation sets the pattern for much of the rest of your post. The 2013 nomination dossier very clearly outlines the attributes of the areas nominated for inclusion, no mention of wilderness, so dragging wilderness into the debate is pure politics and not based on fact. So who is lost in the wilderness. Poynter and Cinders methinks, not the ABC.

RE-WILDING..MEANS BREAKING
DOWN HADRIANS WALL
HERE IS THE PROCESS..OF RE-WILDING/EVERYTHING..BACK TO 'GREEN'

http://rss.infowars.com/20140410_Thu_Alex.mp3

IT SEEMS TO BE LINKED TO WATER RIGHTS..in this case they taking away the water pipes..[water rights link to grazing/rights/that lead to land rights]..so the Forrest rights tie back to who holds the harvest rights.

importantly the events on this tape will be huge
it/ties into freeman-rights/colonization/land use..and so much more

a point made earlier says land is linked to local.not fed [nor state?]/...authority?..by what right?...community authority..moral authority/possession being 910 the law..

anyhow a living example...but the green/agenda cant prevail
we were given use of this land..for all/unbounded..by such delusions such as Hadrian-ic [sic*]walls?..walls imprison minds..do they fence the nature in or out?

HOW CONSTITUTIONAL IS CONSTITUTED LAW
WHEN..all is returned back to nature/..there can be no more state fictions.protections/illusions not deed nor grant..remaining..at all.

then its dog fight dog..and statuted humanity has evolved..[devolved]....diss-solved..to be no where at all..where does it end?..what are you willing to defend..to what end?

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/04/08/new-report-claims-un-findings-on-climate-change-is-just-bunch-hot-air/
http://americanfreepress.net/?p=16402
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShJTcIlTna0