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None dare call it a Jaymander : Comments

By Allan Pidgeon, published 19/3/2014

South Australian political historians coined the phrase 'Playmander' to describe the phenomenon that saw Sir Thomas Playford retain office as Premier from 1938 until 1965 despite 'losing' the popular vote on a number of occasions.

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There is nothing wrong with the system in south Australian the Lib's just need to get their act together.
The system needs to balance local representation and the general will of the people. There are lots of safe seats for both sides and so the election won or lost in the marginal. The Libs just haven't got a winning team and their small target strategy was well counted by Labour.
Little Johnny lost the popular vote in his GTS election, but won the most seats. It didn’t stop him from believing the electorate had voted for the GTS.
Proportional voting sounds great but the reality is mean minority government is the norm.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 10:13:40 AM
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The only way, we might end this patent nonsense, that basically makes a joke out of democracy in SA, is with proportional representation!
The so-called independents, simply cannot ignore the popular vote, and through it, the will of the people!
Nor can they ignore who is running the country, and its implications for SA!
That being so, they, both former Liberals, should throw their lot in with the Liberals!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 11:38:49 AM
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Due to the new Liberal Member's ignorance of his electorate - when the good folk of Eden-Monaro vote Labor in the next election note even the divine guidance of Pell Pot (or is that Pontius Pell?) will save the Abbott tyranny.
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 12:16:20 PM
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Ah !

South Australia... about to become the 'new' Tasmania.

Especially since the recent two Elections.
Posted by Aspley, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 1:57:09 PM
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There is no way that there can be a "fair" result with single member electorates. It is theoreticaly possible to win a majority of seats with only 30-40% of the "popular" first preference votes and probably even less! And that is with all electorates having exactly the same number of voters.

If fairness is defined as the number of seats accurately tracking the "popular" vote then there would have to be a single state wide seat from which all members are elected.

DKit
Posted by dkit, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 2:51:22 PM
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CORRECTION - that should be

The new Liberal Member of Eden-Monaro is ignoring his electorate. Is he again working on another Work "Choices".

When the good folk of Eden-Monaro vote Labor in the next election NOT even the distant divine guidance of Pontius Pell will save Abbott's temporary government.
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 3:52:38 PM
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Given that 'local' representatives do not 'represent' their electorates in any meaningful way but merely represent another warm body to fill a slot for the party that has endorsed them, perhaps it's time to get rid of local electorates altogether, and create electorates based on more relevant properties than the accident of where you happen to reside -- gender, age, income levels, work status, even ethnic background. This would produce a far more representative parliament than the current requirement to recruit one MP from each area, whether that area can supply a credible candidate or not.
Posted by Jon J, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 5:40:31 PM
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Having read other discussions elsewhere about the SA election, the problem seems to lie with their electoral 'fairness' provisions. A close outcome seems inevitable under the SA system, and with that the likelihood of a hung parliament or independents holding the balance of power increases.
Posted by Candide, Sunday, 23 March 2014 12:52:05 PM
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What both sides fail to acknowledge is that it happens to both parties at different times.

Most recently prior to this was the election won by John Howard against Kim Beazly . Howard's government was not ever called illegitimate.

Labor's 2010 win was incessantly called illegitimate by shrill conservative voices overlooking the fact that the two party vote, counting every vote, favoured Labor by the slimmest margin of 30,000 votes.

It's not the voting that is wrong, it's the system. Then again, maybe it is not... think of it this way:

If you live in a seat where only the very wealthy or the very poor live, 70% of the voters there will vote for their preferred party. Take a few seats like that and then put them up with seats where the vote is more evenly split and you can get these anomalies.

First past the post with run offs to get the preferred candidate in each seat would be a fairer way to go but then you'd end up with Labor governing 80% of the time because they usually get more votes than the Liberals,(not the coalition). That is federally, not so sure about all the states.

Finally, the fairest way would proportional voting where every significant view in every seat would be represented in parliament. That would mean, with a 150 seat parliament, you'd have to divide the number of seats by two, three or five. No Party would ever enjoy a majority in the House but most views in the community would be represented.

So, before you go off complaining about a result that does not fit with your thinking, consider what it might take to ensure that it never happens again. One note of caution: Boundary fiddling, to be fair, does not work because people move all the time. Over time the same issues would arise and we'd start these arguments all over again.

To be unfair, boundary fiddling works a treat; just ask the survivors of Joh Bjelke Petersen era
Posted by RubensSydney, Monday, 24 March 2014 1:32:02 PM
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