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The justifying myths of Russian intervention : Comments

By Peter Shmigel, published 4/3/2014

When the West looks at Vladimir Putin, it sees him through a conventional lens of 'political leader'. When Putin, looks at the West and at his own interests, he looks through the lens of a former KGB colonel.

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@drab

Here is some history for you.

Putin is following the well trod path of all Russian leaders ie. brutal, miscalculating and authoritarian.

Ukraine has enjoyed independence from Russia for only a short period of time in its history - with the establishment of a republic after the timely collapse of the USSR in the early 1990s.

Ukraine has suffered a tragic history as a vassal of Russian imperialists. It was in the collapse of the Russian Empire in 1917 that Ukraine got its first glimpse of independence.

It was under the rule of the USSR and Stalin from 1932-1933 that the Ukraine faced the extreme measures that Russians would go to in order to ensure political domination. During the Holodomor (Death by Hunger).

The Soviet government diverted food deemed “surplus” to other parts of the USSR, causing the deaths of somewhere between seven and twelve million Ukrainians. This was intentional murder - to break the spirit of the Ukrainian people.

The official Soviet census in 1926 showed a population of 29,018,817 Ukrainians, with an estimated growth rate of 2.65%. By the time the next census was taken in 1939, there should have been a population of 40,770,506, however there was only a population of 30,946,218. Using the methodology used by The Lancet in the mid 2000s (for Iraqis who should have been alive) the Ukrainian figures indicate the Russians killed over nine million Ukrainians.

also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor

Clearly Putin needs to bring in a Ukrainian Sorry Day or at least not torture the Ukraine again.

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 3:05:12 PM
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what a dilemma. Putin outlaws homosexuality and acts as a dictator. Obama promotes homosexuality and shows himself as a terribly weak leader. Interesting.Tick tick.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 3:30:57 PM
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No mention of all the illegal wars and invasions by the USA prompted by Israel.

What would the USA say if Russia put their agents in Canada and de-stabilised their Govt?

The war mongers are in the West.
Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 5:03:57 PM
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Thank you, Mr Schmigel, but frankly, I believe we Australians should do as Australian Leader Abbott so winningly told Russian Leader Putin to do..."Back off"!! Abbott clearly knows as much of the situation in Ukraine as Putin does of our pathetic 'leadership' here.
We must allow the International bodies deputed to handle such matters and try to restrain the ridiculous idea that Abbott has any 'statesman' ability to handle the complexities of "a faraway country about which we know nothing".
Abbott et al. can't even manage contracts in PNG and a few days ago, in an appropriate manner, was told to 'back off' from Timor L'Este!
Posted by carol83, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 5:07:05 PM
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Aye runner

I hear Vlad the Impaler, despite his name, wasn't gay.

Does that make him a Cissy or Putin's Pussy Riot?

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Hi Arjay

A war between the US and what is now Canada has been fought already - the War of 1812. Unlike Russia in war or peace they didn't kill millions.

US and Canada kissed then made out - all friends now :)

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812#Long-term_consequences

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 5:18:31 PM
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Carol83

You are blind to the stupidity of the local socialists in relation to both Timor and PNG. Why is that?

Now tell me the name of the international body that will be competent to solve this European crisis.

Don't tell me it is that stupidly ineffectual Security Council of the UN. That one of our dumber leaders wasted millions of our dollars to gain us membership. Watch how they fold. We'll be totally ineffectual. You should acknowledge that at least Abbott hasn't wasted money on crap like that.
Posted by imajulianutter, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 5:33:06 PM
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