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P3 woes : Comments

By Sue Wareham, published 18/2/2014

France, the US and the UK have a problem. These nuclear-armed 'P3' NATO partners need to persuade the rest of the world not to look too carefully at the weapons that form their own WMD arsenals.

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SUE,

You are sadly mistaken with the completely baseless belief that “vast majority of the world’s people” wish for a “nuclear weapons free world” as if they desire peace and no war or possibility of mass death.

Most non-western nations do not possess nuclear weapons and those that do only have some (except China and Russia) like North Korea, but many like Middle-Eastern countries and other Asian nations like Pakistan and India are themselves perpetually trying to make them. Such nations ONLY wish that the MOSTLY European/White nations (US, UK etc.) to be stripped of theirs so that the power field becomes more levelled out.

Think about why on earth did Pakistan and India turn up at the Mexico Conference? Love of peace, equality and humanity? Ha! Basic human rights are not even afforded their own people.

We need to first make a safe world, and educated world in culture - which to me is essentially about Morality and Ethics and human freedom, equality etc. and our universal understanding of this.

That means, while we have super-economies like China and India etc. who fail to adhere to most human rights for their own citizens, as well other hundreds of other smaller potential mini-Chinas & India (e.g. Iran, N. Korea), I think it is safer to leave the “BIG STICK” in the hands of the types of nations that (whilst they too have many flaws) stick to human rights at least a lot more than those other nations, in fact almost 100% more.
Posted by Matthew S, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 3:38:53 PM
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SUE,

At the end of the day I agree that nuclear weapons are horrible things and I would like nothing more than to see a world that could properly destroy all Nukes because they care for life and NO OTHER REASON.

HOWEVER . . . . . .

Think about what you said in the comparison with slavery and nuclear weapons:

“Two hundred years ago nations could have argued “We don’t like slavery but as long as the slave trade exists, we need to keep slaves.” With principles like these, we could rapidly be back in the dark ages.”

Yes indeed. But we ARE already doing just that by allowing the cultural environment in parts of Asia which easily produces massive slave or near-slave worker masses to become prosperous (e.g. CHINA, INDIA) because the world including all the west overlooks the “slave aspect” and rationalizes it to be “smart business”, “cheaper costs”.
Already in 50 years this immoral practice has led to 100% manufacturing base being shifted from being all over the globe, to now ONLY in these third-world areas. And this reliance puts the West in a difficult spot also.

I personally think that the west should have stopped this right at the beginning, with force if needed.

In any case, if the West did get rid of the “BIG STICK” of their Nukes, just say NO Nukes existed on Earth, WHAT deterrent could be possibly used to have nations like China and India and Iran etc. to not engage in human rights violations such as China and India with their Global worker force monopoly due to such “CHEAP” and “slavery-like” wages paid to their workers.

Imagine such a world
Posted by Matthew S, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 3:51:38 PM
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DAVID G.

ASK yourself this David G.:

Did the USA, UK, Australia, NZ, and myriad of free European and other nations, make the wrong choice when they decided to go to war when the Nazis and Japanese separately began their campaigns to take-over and dominate the world?

Was it REALLY the case that the Nazis and Imperialist Japanese were not undemocratic dictatorships without equality and freedom of speech or justice in any sense, but that they were really the “GOOG GUYS” who wanted to make the world free and equal and fair?

So then the US and allies were really the BAD GUYS then?

Further, after the war the US and allies engaged in 50 years of hostilities with Cold War with Soviets, who may have reacted very differently to the Western Allies’ requests after WWII. Perhaps the Soviets would have enslaved all of Europe under their mindless and supressed culture.

SERIOUSLY - How do you think the WWII and obviously the World as we know it today, would have turned out differently IF the US did not develop the Atomic bomb in time to end Japan’s war efforts? What effect do you think the events after when Japan was supposed to be bombed but if it wasn’t, from the points of view of the Soviets and the Germans, not to even yet mention the Chinese?

GEE, is it true that the world has a dominant culture today which has the most freedoms and equalities and economic opportunities of all time, MOSTLY because the US developed the “BIG STICK” and used it on Japan who rather than sacrifice 300,000 or more of their own young men to physically take Japan because even though the Japanese knew they were lost with no chance they refused to officially surrender out of stupidity and ignorance, preferring to have millions more of their own men and the enemy die.

The use of the "Bomb" would have had drastic effects on how the Soviets, Nazis and everyone else thereafter viewed the notion of war with the US?
Posted by Matthew S, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 4:05:22 PM
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