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Where does the west begin and end in education? : Comments

By Fotis Kapetopoulos, published 13/1/2014

Too often under the guise of multi-faith values or traditional values, secularism, rationalism, individual liberty, academic enquiry and science, take second place.

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Bollocks would be a very suitable word to describe the comment by Sells.
Such an opinion is a conceit.
Proof of the pudding is the fact that there now well over 35,000 different and differing types of Christianity that one can subscribe to. All of which, without exception (including all "traditionalist" and "orthodox" varieties) cater for the lifestyle choice in the whats-in-it-for-me market place of consumerist POP religiosity. This essay describes the situation. http://www.dabase.org/up-1-6.htm

Pop religion and philosophy are basically tools of the gross social order. They consist primarily of systems of propagandized belief. At its best the embodiment of such beliefs creates socially benign and materially productive behaviors.

"Practice" in such "pop" movements is generally associated with what are essentially suppressive disciplines relative to personal pleasure, taboos against any kind of mysticism or asocial subjective life, and intense demands for productive and enthusiastic social life.
In this manner the merely socialized ego is mechanically reproduced in the form of millions of dreadfully sane people in each generation, much in the same manner, and for the same basic purpose, as "worker" bees or drones in a hive.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Monday, 13 January 2014 8:20:04 PM
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>>you can observe that the more secular we have become and the more the leftist we have rewritten history the more violent, the more immoral, the more untrustworthy, the more perverted, the more addicted and the more denial the nation has become<<

The more denial the nation has become? Well if nothing else I think we can conclude that the erosion of Christianity has led to sharp downturn in grammatical standards.

As for the violence, immorality, perversion, addiction and deceitfulness?

Pope Alexander VI was the head of the entire Christian church (this was prior to the Protestant Reformation). At a time when Christianity was in it's heyday he was considered to be the most Christian soul on earth.

He poisoned his enemies, endorsed slavery and held orgies within the walls of the Vatican. A shining beacon of morality? Or just a demonstration that there is zero correlation between religious belief and morality?

After all, Jesus was a Jew and he was still far more moral than a lot of self-identifying Christians.

Cheers,

Tony
Posted by Tony Lavis, Monday, 13 January 2014 8:50:20 PM
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'He poisoned his enemies, endorsed slavery and held orgies within the walls of the Vatican. A shining beacon of morality? Or just a demonstration that there is zero correlation between religious belief and morality? '

exactly Tony the opposite to the teachings of Christ just like secularist today who murder the unborn, promote the porn industry and poison the minds of kids.
Posted by runner, Monday, 13 January 2014 10:15:58 PM
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"My greatest concern is that the education enquiry may not be a process of reintroducing western history, philosophy and politics as bases for our development and our connection to the world, but rather the reinvention of a limited and very recent British/Australian Conservative agenda?"

Yes, that is also my fear.

By all means, we should embrace our Western history...and our Aboriginal history, and histories of all the many different cultures and religions that have shaped our wonderful Australia.

We should never restrict our children's education to Western, Christian conservative ideas, because that would be really boring...
Posted by Suseonline, Monday, 13 January 2014 11:08:18 PM
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Ancient Greece – as with Rome and the Early Christian Empire – were very good at generating their own imperial propaganda that nothing of value existed anywhere before they conquered it.

True Western democracy and Western civilization itself actually evolved out of Old Europe, which existed for many thousands of years before the rise of Greece, Rome and all those other dudely macho nations our Western education syllabuses have taught us to revere and emulate. Old Europe was a loose collection of thriving societies based on a system of mini-republics, interconnected trading relationships, sophisticated legal frameworks (that rarely relied on prisons or capital punishment) and nature-based polygamous religions.

However, all good little Westerners have been thoroughly indoctrinated to believe that Old Europe was merely ‘terra nullius’. And Hell (that is, the proverbial Judeo-Christian version) will freeze over before Old Europe will ever be recognised as the legitimate legacy of Western civilisation. Until then, I couldn’t care less which brand of ancient women/nature/equality-hating society our syllabus planners want to promote – either Eastern or Western.
Posted by Killarney, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 12:07:36 AM
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suse,
When we're talking about ideas then European thought is about all there is to consider, non Europeans have contributed precisely nothing to modernity. Can you name one original, influential, contemporary school of thought which has it's origins in Africa, Asia or South America?
Of course if you're opposed to modernity then there's much to learn from the East and the South and there's nothing wrong with opposing modernity. It's just that some White people want to have a modern lifestyle and pretend to reject the Western world to appear "edgy" and cool, like the so called New Age practitioners selling crystals and corn husk dolls on E-Bay. Do you see the contradiction?
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 6:03:25 AM
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