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Why America's Afghanistan mission failed : Comments

By Riaz Hassan, published 10/1/2014

A soon to be published book on poetry of the Taliban shows how the neo-Taliban have been able to draw on Pasthun culture to motivate people to fight against the US and its allies.

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While the author makes some valid points I think there is more to the story than has been outlined.

A major consideration is that the US has no faith in the Karzai government, which is widely regarded as corrupt and in the habit of rigging elections. Its main other "ally" on the ground, namely Pakistan, has been found to be double-dealing, while Afghanistan itself is highly tribal with very weak national structures.

I would compare Afghanistan with Somalia. Both are virtually ungovernable. The difference, as far as the US is concerned, is that it wisely exited Somalia at an early juncture but felt compelled to stay in Afghanistan for reasons related to 9/11.
Posted by Bren, Friday, 10 January 2014 11:00:15 AM
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Dear Riaz,

My generation of analysts were taught that each topic should be viewed as a pyramid. At the top is the big picture, each subsequent layer introduces more issues and more content, so the further down you go the greater the number of both issues and content one faces.

By following and adhering to pertinent threads it is possible to interrogate vast amounts of strategically relevant information and reach logical conclusions. When starting in the middle of the pyramid however, it is almost impossible to branch out to a meaningful conclusion.

Whilst I agree with much of your article you appear to have leapt to conclusion without leaving the reader an audit trail to follow. You have drawn on some selective issues and content immediately adjacent to your entry point and then dragged them with you to your conclusion.

The big issues in the middle east relate to a dramatic change in the strategic geo-politics. The USA and the coalition of the willing have now disengaged, so it matters not what the neo-Taliban groups do, it’s now their problem.

Intended or not, the middle east interventions delayed radicalized consolidation in the region until the West had achieved energy security, now the Levanter’s can get lost.

The other major issue not specifically related the individual radical groups, it is more the parasitic allegiances they are developing with middle eastern States.

Therefore I think any focus on individual radical groups gets buried in the bigger picture.
Posted by spindoc, Friday, 10 January 2014 1:08:19 PM
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Its great to get an article from a Pakistani(?)-Australian socialogist who for some reason doesn't mention Afghanistan's most influential neighbor and the Taliban's major supporter - Pakistan.

Karzai, the Thomas Jefferson of Afghani democracy, is above reproach.

Any insinuations of:

- Karzai's constant backroom deals with the Taliban,

- along with Karzai and his fellow Warlord's salting away in Swiss bank accounts 50% of aid money to Afghanistan

- that has thwarted ISAF's efforts at every turn

are completely accurate.
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 10 January 2014 5:01:32 PM
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Bren 911 had nothing to do with 911.It was all about oil/gas pipe lines from Turkmenistan, the opium, a $ trillion of Lithium and strategic position to China.

Like Vietnam , Afghanistan is all about making money from selling weapons and stealing other peoples resources.911 was a lie. http://www.ae911truth.org/
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 10 January 2014 9:02:03 PM
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< While the author makes some valid points I think there is more to the story than has been outlined. >

Sure. Al Qaeda now controls more territory in the Arab world than ever before.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-09/al-qaeda-now-controls-more-territory-arab-world-ever

Mission Accomplished I'd say, Arjay! The MIC have made a motza from this and now the whole world is chasing ghosts, which the USSA created out of thin air! A state created enemy that can never be killed. It's even better than the cold war, because they never got to let lose on all those nukes. Now they get to replace mortars, drones, brass, Humvies on a daily bases. The MIC has found the ultimate cash cow!
Posted by RawMustard, Saturday, 11 January 2014 1:20:14 AM
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How many more nations is the world going to allow the U.S. to destroy, plunder, and leave in shambles?

Is Iran next on its list despite a show of trying to get some kind of a peace deal or has it moved its focus to China? Whatever, its bunch of psychotic, fanatical leaders are up to, it won't be good for the world.

But does the world care? Of course not. As the wolf devours the hens, people look the other way, pretend to themselves that the U.S. is a force for good.

George, your book '1984' was wasted on the world. We deserve whatever nightmare the barbaric, psychotic Americans impose upon us.
Posted by David G, Saturday, 11 January 2014 8:20:08 AM
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Posted by SPQR, Saturday, 11 January 2014 8:45:59 AM
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Posted by David G, Saturday, 11 January 2014 10:04:21 AM
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Big things are happening in the US.I heard from several sources that the US Military have had enough of Obama and are going to remove him soon.

Bush instigated Home Land security and Obama said he wanted a homeland force just as powerful and well equipped as the military. General Martin Dempsey is the head of the Joint Chiefs and said recently that the Military should support its oath to the Constitution and this means protecting the US people from enemies both foreign and domestic. Dempsey was instrumental in stopping Obama attacking Syria and probably a war with Russia.

You may have heard of the missing nukes from Dyess Airforce base.3 nukes were removed without signatures in Oct 2013.http://www.infowars.com/top-nuke-commanders-fired-following-missing-nuclear-warheads-report/

On 3/9/13 Senator Lindsay Graham said that if they did not attack Syria a nuke attack could happen at Charleston South Carolina.

Apparently one of these nukes were fired and it ended up 1000 kms in the ocean off South Carolina. Vladmir Putin said a nuke had gone off in this area that was reported to be a minor earth quake of 4.5.

Obama sacked his top General in charge of nukes Major General Michael Cary and Vice Admiral Giardina. It is reported that both these people dis-obeyed Obama's instruction to bomb Charleston with an EMP nuke device. At this time FEMA were doing drills in collapse of the electrical/communication infrastructure ,which is exactly what EMPs.

Obama has sacked 208 of his senior military executive since coming to power which is unheard of. We have serious devisions in the USA which may well lead to civil war or a military overthrow of the Govt.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 11 January 2014 3:44:40 PM
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I have nit read the article, will later, but i will say that We and the US, should never have gone there in the first place.

What was needed was a group of highly skilled, highly paid mercenaries sent to kill Bin Larden. same goes for Iraq.

You simply can't win a war against people who use there own people as human shields or willingly kill themselves in honor of their god.

What we should have focused on was keeping these people away from our countries.

We will pay the ultimate cost for our lack luster approach to immigration.
Posted by rehctub, Sunday, 12 January 2014 1:15:30 PM
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Posted by one under god, Monday, 13 January 2014 8:14:55 AM
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it wasn't "America's mission" to start with, it was a NATO mission.

And it did achieve a lot. To begin with, it made tens of thousands of the highest class of jihadi Muslims into "good Muslims." And I think it did something else that was very significant. It exposed the people of this cesspit "country" to western ways for the first time ever. I am not sure how the Taliban are gonna keep 'em, down on the farm, now that they've seen Pareeee.

The sight of female soldiers must have really been a culture shock, and the Afghans can once again realise that the Taliban are just religious nut jobs with nothing positive to offer.

If the Talib terrs want to give aid and comfort to our enemies in Al Qaida, we can bugger them up big time by giving arms to their ethnic enemies in the north,with whom we have cordial relations. Add a few drone strikes and the odd bombing mission out of Diego Garcia, and the Talibs might see the light and realise that pisssing of the west is not conducive to health and longevity.

I am sure that many in the Taliban will miss us. Just like "Palestine", without a war they are out of business. Just another backward, poverty stricken Muslim country that will never crawl above the values of the 13th century.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 13 January 2014 6:55:09 PM
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