Yep and I was born with a nature that gave me the choice to be an adulterer, a liar, a fornicator etc etc. Thankfully my parents and others at least taught me the right way (though I ignored them for a long time).

Intriguing discussion on an important topic.

Rhian is spot on to observe that much so-called evidence confuses correlation and causation.

A prior question, however, of both Cory B and Bill M is why they refer to the research. Is it because the data seems to show kids with two parents do better that they are so passionate about the two-parent heterosexual natural family (2phnf)?

Or is it the other way around? They are committed to the 2phnf on religious grounds. They then seek secular research to bolster their position.

So here is a test:

If research shows two-parent families produce better adjusted kids than one-parent families, then what about three-parent families? Would they produce better outcomes still?

Would Bill and Cory support rigorous peer-reviewed research into this question? And would they agree in advance that should the results be affirmative that they will then support “making it part of our social policy to encourage this so that as many children as possible are raised in this ideal environment"?

Cheers,

AA

I see what you mean AA.
But I would go one step further and ask CoryB and his holy mate Bill just how they think the obvious advantages of traditional married mum/dad/own kids families can be 'promoted' to an increasingly secular society?

If these sorts of families work so well, I can't see any difference to the unmarried dad and mum living with the kids for example?
Is the fact there is no marriage cert involved going to change anything?
Maybe if we let the Gay couples marry and possess this magic cert, their lives will be perfect too?

Life is never straight forward unless you are a middle-old aged overly religious man, obviously.
And apparently it is these same men who feel the burning need to tell everyone else that they must live the same way as them, or burn in their hell...

Yes. Good questions, Suseonline.

From what CB and BM have said elsewhere, they seem to want government to withdraw support for non-2phnf families currently provided. This includes some single parent benefits, IVF services, and of course recognition of same-sex relationships.

No, there is no difference between having parents married or unmarried. Both are prevalent here in France. Of my partner’s many long-term friends in functional families I still don’t know which couples are actually married and which aren’t. Nobody cares.

Yes, the increasing acceptance of gay couples will probably see the research on outcomes for the kids change over time.

And regarding religion, this is changing rapidly, Suse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominational_positions_on_homosexuality

Cheers,

AA

'Life is never straight forward unless you are a middle-old aged overly religious man, obviously.

unless of course you work for the ABC where feminist/gays want to dictate to everyone else the way people should live. Have any view however perverted as long as its not biblical is their mantra and Susie seems to push the same dogma.

If both parents are Labor supporters than of course the children will turn out differently to those of Conservative parents.
Same goes with football watching parents vs outdoor activity parents. Academic parents will instil a different mentality to working class parents.
That's why a Natonal Service is vital to put them all into the same environment for a while to give them the opportunity to be away from parental indoctrination. I guarantee that & it has actually been proven that people who have served are far better adjusted than those who haven't. Just look at the difference in mentality between an Australian & a Swiss or Swede or any of those countries where they have Natinal Service. National service promotes forward thinking by using hindsight. In the recent past Australia has operated the other way round by constantly dragging up the past instead of focussing on the future.